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lettuceLeafer wrote

I think the critique of this essay is that the essay itself exists. Like what is the point of the essay? Vegans who have the correct philosophy allready don't really need the essay. The intended audience are either vegans who are think animals are lower than humans or think owning animals is ok. But most likely omnis who don't like the rhetoric vegans use.

But like this essay by being written is a critique of your mindset. It assumes people with incredibly hard set political ideology are just a good argument away from changing their ways. That's not how being a political ideologue is. The people in the 1rst world who could be convinced by veganism are allready convinced. They either are vegan or are vegan sympathetic or aren't vegan for material reasons and have a ethical problem with their behavior.

The people who are obstinently anti vegan are carnist idealogues. They eatingeat has nothing to do with reason. It's an emotional cause about societal normalcy and stagnation and against change. I think u fail to understand why people aren't vegan so you can't do any propaganda to combat it as this essay proves you misunderstand them.

Logical arguments work sometimes but the reality is humans aren't very rational and only sometimes works. You have to understand opposite to oppose it properly. People don't eat meat for ethical reasons so their argument about ethics isn't meaningful it's a lie made reality to preserve ones goals. Hence why logic is unimportant.

Not criticizing this behavior as a whole as most people do it if u pay attention. So it's something everyone does but it's bad as it furthers a cause I dislike.

Tldr: to win a bunch of battle you need to understand your opposition. -some Chinese person

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Ennui OP wrote

I might have an opportunity to write for a larger audience in my community soon, so I'm writing a few preliminary essays to cut through the muck of anarchists who aren't really anarchists. I don't expect to convince many of them. Really I want to see who it clicks with and see how my current group responds. It's also for myself. It feels good to have ideas written down, so that the next time someone tells me I'm an ableist I can just show them the paper.

I don't hang out with carnist ideologues in real life so they aren't my audience.

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lettuceLeafer wrote

I think anarchists who disagree with veganism philosophically are carnists ideologues. Otherwise they would be vegan or not be vegan but think it is a good idea.

In my definition carnism is a philosophical system people take in through osmosis that eating animal products is ok. If someone is given good arguments but continues to think eating animals is reasonable without a good reason they are inherently an ideologue.

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