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lettuceLeafer OP wrote

I don't get equating benefits to profits. Can you expand on that?

Typically I labor for a boss to get money. I then use that money to get bread. So by working I profited by gaining bread. In mutual aid I labor for others and end up getting food through social relationships gained from my mutual aid labor. So I'm saying I gained something through labor, profit. Just because the monetary in between doesn't exist in this transaction doesn't mean the profit disappears.

Currency is a way to record profit and a way to gain profit from work or nonwork. It is not essential to profit.

If I do some bartering i.e. fix someones door and they give me food I have profited from fixing their door. Mutual aid I profit though it is obscured but still existent.

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grey_jedi wrote (edited )

If I do some bartering i.e. fix someones door and they give me food I have profited from fixing their door.

That's not necessarily profiting, though. What if your labor is worth more than the food they give you?

Since profit specifically means getting more of something than you put in, how are you measuring when a social benefit becomes profitable if it's value is obscured? Do you take into account the opportunity cost of participating in mutual aid vs other social functions?

Ignore that last question, I realized it's really not relevant to the critique .

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lettuceLeafer OP wrote (edited )

labor has no intrinsic monetary value. If 10 hours of labor will only get u 1/2 a bagel ur labor was only worth half a bagel. It seems u might be coming form the labor theory of value. Which isn't super relevant as "value" in the labor theory of value isn't really tied to profit from labor.

Since profit specifically means getting more of something than you put in, how are you measuring when a social benefit becomes profitable if it's value is obscured

well, u can make a loss which is a negative profit. Now thats a little silly use of the word profit but the point is that their are clear gains from mutual aid. Most of the people I help seem to think that I gain nothing when in reality that isn't true. I get many things form mutual aid that benefit my life.

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grey_jedi wrote (edited )

As you pointed out: a negative profit is a cost, so I wouldn't use profit in your argument.

Based on how you're using the word profit in your further explanations, I think your argument would be more clear if you change all the instances of the word 'profit' to 'benefit'.

In which case I would say, "well yeah there's a reason it's called 'Mutual Aid' and not 'One Way Aid'" lol

Aside from that, the only thing I would critique is the part about relationships being a benefit of mutual aid work, when its something that can happen in any social function where mutual interests align (concerts, workshops, conventions, schools, etc)

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lettuceLeafer OP wrote

okay thats fair. Though I think profit is still useful term. If the mutual aid project is perceived as costing more than it benefits it prob will end pretty soon unless the people doing mutual aid think that it has a chance to be profitable long term.

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