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ziq OP wrote

Nothing reds hate more than not being able to bend people to their will.

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qiz wrote (edited )

How dare people have minds of their own. Filthy fucking scofflaw individualists. Get a fucking job you hippies.

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ikk wrote

Get a fucking job you hippies.

They were just asking for help with the dishes. If you are male-identifying, cleaning the dishes is mandatory minimum action to qualify as feminist.

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ziq OP wrote

That's true if we assume OP is a woman and the roommates aren't, but it's not all they're asking. They expect their roommates to build a green collective utopia because that's the idea they have in their head about what anarchy is. I never waited for other people to start a garden and build structures with me, I just did it. Making your happiness other people's responsibility is toxic and futile.

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Styx wrote

If you are male-identifying, cleaning the dishes is mandatory minimum action to qualify as feminist.

Can we be a bit more ambitious here?

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subrosa wrote

Thanks to whoever mod removed those comments on why anarchists can have laws actually. Somehow it collected plenty upvotes. Needed that removal, for mental health reasons.

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ziq OP wrote

Of course they upvoted it, 99.8% of them are terrified of anarchy.

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tuesday wrote

Honestly just dm me if there's a thing that needs gone.

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subrosa wrote

Appreciate ya. Will keep that in mind for when r/anarchism goes Bookchin again.

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ziq OP wrote

Right on cue they've started circlejerking about 'lifestylists' ruining everything and bookchin being right. Next stop tankie town.

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lettuceLeafer wrote (edited )

Sounds like a house full of leftists if none of them will do the dishes.

Tho tbh I think I agree with this person at least a bit. Because in cohabiting situations there should be some structure agreeded to otherwise the dynamic is less than ideal. It's not based anarchy to never do the dishes and leave it for someone else to do bc no rules man. Not saying the OP is basee here I think they all sound like assholes.

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ziq OP wrote

They shouldn't be in a coliving situation with people that don't share their desires.

I am unhappy here. I want to grow food, build sustainable methods of living, be self reliant, steward land for the environment

Waiting for other people; a "community" to do life for you is a waste of existence. Get out of there, go to the woods, grow food, be self reliant. They're angry at these people for not working to fulfill their desires. These people have their own lives, they don't exist to actualize someone else's program.

All these reds fall into the same trap, putting all their eggs into the community-utopia basket and then raging at the group for being individualists and lifestylists when they inevitably don't meet their romantic expectations.

Stop waiting for the community to live your life for you, get a shitty job, save some money, move to the woods.

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lettuceLeafer wrote

I agree with u completely that this is a shitty ass mindset destined for treating others bad and having an unhappy life. Tho my nitpick here occurs due to this decision being based on having a cheap place to live so most cases of coliving with randos people are pretty desperate to find a cheap place and will just accept a ton of stuff regardless bc it beats being homeless. So if u are utilizing desperate people trying to not become homeless to do work for them for free. Mechanically this is basically land lording on some scale landlord fullfills someones need to not be homeless to get money then they spend money on maid to do their dishes. These anarchists utilizing someones need to not be homeless get them to clean dishes for them. Getting someone to pay u money for a home and getting someone to work for u for a home is still being a landlord. Especially considering there is a thing in the US where old people will landlord out a room for free in exchange for somone being a live in maid. So mostly bc these anarchists are getting someone to work for them by providing a neccessity of life I would consider it a hierarcical relationship. One pretty easy to fix tbh but I am very against this situation being an acceptable way anarchists could handle things.

It would be a different story if they had plenty of money to just live somewhere else tho. But regardless the tankie is being extremely annoying and should just figure out how to help themself

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ikk wrote (edited )

Get out of there, go to the woods, grow food, be self reliant. They're angry at these people for not working to fulfill their desires.

There's also the option of talking to the others about dishes in a way that respects their autonomy and their no. Clearly they are stuck in a mindset of domination, wishing for laws to force their housemates to do the dishes. I'm not sure that just leaving will help this person change that harmful attitude. If this person learned to communicate in a less authoritarian manner and with more empathy, I think they'd become happier where they are, which may be easier sometimes.

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ziq OP wrote

Just don't share dishes. When I lived with people they didn't touch my stuff and I didn't touch theirs. Unless you're in a relationship, no one should be responsible for washing your dishes but you.

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bloodrose wrote

Unless you're in a relationship, no one should be responsible for washing your dishes but you.

Even if you're in a relationship, do your own fucking dishes. Expecting someone else to do it for you is exerting control over the other person, control over their time and their body.

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ziq OP wrote

I was specifically thinking of your husband not doing chores when you work all day.

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bloodrose wrote

Lol, don't forget the trash he leaves on the counter and floor for me, too. hahaha I may have a trigger. sorry!

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ikk wrote

Yet another solution: Just do the dishes!

Writing that Reddit post surely took more effort than actually doing the dishes. It's nice, you get warm water on your hands and soap with lavender fragrance, and people are all really happy when the kitchen is ready to use again. Why not?

I love washing dishes, except when I'm being asked to, or when there's flesh or bones on em.

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moonlune wrote

Same I'll swap any chore for the dishes. I can listen to music and "log out" and watch the pile of dishes go down.

Also I hate eating in dirty plates

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bloodrose wrote

This is why I need to live communally instead of in a patriarchal family setup. I love to cook and do laundry. Doing dishes kills my back. I would love to trade chores with you. <3

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lettuceLeafer wrote

yeah thats how I do it. It works great. which would be anarchist solution tho people r weird and don't do that despite not liking the dish arrangement which is super weird.

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ziq OP wrote (edited )

I'm biased tho because I would never let a roommate touch my food or prepare meals for me or serve me in any way.

Normal people probably prepare meals for others they're not in a relationship with, so then it would make sense for a person who got served the meal to do the dishes/other chores in exchange.

When I lived with someone romantically I always did the chores and grew the food and we usually prepared our meals together.

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lettuceLeafer wrote

I'm biased tho because I would never let a roommate touch my food or prepare meals for me or serve me in any way.

Yeah mood lol

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ziq OP wrote

Also haven't eaten at a restaurant for 25 years. I can't stomach exploiting people's labour

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lettuceLeafer wrote

Yeah that shit makes me so uncomfortable too. I remember that was a post I made quite a while back that some people didn't like lol

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moonlune wrote (edited )

[my dad] just wanted socdem stuff in the United States because he was lazy af

Same lol

seriously though that redditor's problems have nothing to do with anarchism, they just need to move out. Free association!

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ziq OP wrote

That isn't the reddit anarchist way. Why do that when you can build a collective and force it to submit to your will?

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CaptainACAB wrote

Local collectivist unable to deal with not having desires fulfilled by numbers advantage.

I feel like chaos and conflict are just a part of dealing with other people and that unity enthusiasts are delusional in believing that this can somehow be averted. "Perfect structure" is simply unattainable, we're just not eusocial.

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