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ziq wrote

Pay attention, yo. The intellectual elite know better than us dirty peasants.

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regressive ideologies

Let's be more specific: Anarchists, anticivs, antiworkerists, hunter-gatherers, nomads, artisanal socialists.

progress from each social system to the next

Because waiting for the party to tell you how to achieve communism worked so well in the past... Oh wait, they're a "libertarian" state this time so no reason they would refuse to wither away like authoritarian states did, right?

How bout instead of waiting for an authority to tell us how to slowly hop between social systems they come up with on our way to anarchy, we just go straight to doing anarchy? Is that really so difficult? Someone tries to assert authority? Kill them. Someone else tries it? Kill them. Don't legitimize them and give them the keys to rule you.

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Regressive ideologies are ideologies that wish to regress into capitalism,

As defined by Marxists. So Anarchists, anticivs, antiworkerists, hunter-gatherers, nomads, artisanal socialists.

it is better to not let them into the vanguard than killing them like you suggest

So much for self determination, but I guess I'm just not clever enough to join your elite party since I think Marx was a piece of shit.

States can be decentralized and weak, they need not be all powerful.

Because it's so easy to control a state's growth. Unlike every state in the history of civilization, your state will be different. Pinky promise!

humanely 

Does any word define doublespeak better than this one?

Overall, I’d rather have a small state so we can humanely deal with reactionaries and liberals instead of just killing people.

I'm so looking forward to a stay in your libertarian gulag.

It’s pretty scary to just advocate taking human life like you’re doing.

It's scarier being trapped under an authoritarian's boot for 30 generations. And weren't you advocating declaring war to fight imperialism just yesterday? Lol.

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Nah, you’d be allowed to join

Wow I get to join the holy vanguard even though I'm dangerously anti-vanguard? Goody. I'll bring lots of guests and lots of guns.

No states ever purposefuly gimp themselves for the sole purpose of their own destruction, so we wouldn’t know.

No shit? It's almost like power isn't something the system voluntarily gives up...

Even if it were true, ‘gulags’ are a better alternative than just outright killing people who disagree with the society you’re trying to build.

Yes killing your oppressors is way worse than marching everyone that dissents from the great architect's grand plan into labor camps and working them to death.

Fighting a war against imperialism in your home country is entirely different from advocating to shoot all people who disagree with your political project.

Says the kid who wants to march all the liberals (aka most of the human population) into gulags. And "disagreeing with your political project" is not a reason to kill someone. Them forcing their authority on you; forcing you into their servitude (like, in a gulag) is.

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Oh, we won't be waiting til "the end" to smash it once you let us in. If we did that, it would never go away. Best to smash it on the first day before it roots itself too deeply.

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ziq admin wrote

By asking such ignorant questions, you're just proving that you're not clever enough to join the vanguard and thus don't deserve a say in how you live your life.

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I thought you said the elite intellectual vanguard party wouldn't allow undesirables to join..? And it would "humanely deal with" all the "liberals and reactionaries"? So how does it include "the whole people"?

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ziq admin wrote

Do the people of raddle want to take a vote? Is /u/BrowseDuringClass1917 regressive? If so we should exclude them from u/meta by their own ideological stance.

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ziq admin wrote

Actually, we only need to ask the people who we've allowed into our vanguard. So just me and you.

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/u/BrowseDuringClass1917 is hereby barred from the raddle intelligentsia and stripped of all voting rights. Democracy has been served:

Regressive ideologies are ideologies that wish to regress into capitalism, and it is better to not let them into the vanguard

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Yes, and when we have educated the people enough, we will declare communism and they will be permitted to dine at our table as our true equals.

I estimate this arduous education process will last a mere 20 generations... Unless we author further tomes of theory to teach them, of course, but we'll cross that bridge when we come to it.

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