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Defasher wrote

As a postleftist, I think ancommunism and Leninism are both naive. Humans are much too diverse to be moulded into a singular collective the way communism demands.

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_deleted____ wrote (edited )

Did you ever stop to think that maybe the reason you don't like the idea of collectivism is because you've been burned so much by liberal society and that's made you antisocial? Things would be different in a communist society where people aren't oppressed for being different.

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Defasher wrote (edited )

Yeah? Tell that to all the queers and anarchists sent to the gulags by Soviets to be worked to death for daring to not meet up to dear leader's ideals.

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_deleted____ wrote

But the USSR isn't a good example of communism, they didn't even manage to abolish money. It's not fair to label the USSR as communist when it was just another authoritarian state that empowered a different set of rulers than the previous one.

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Defasher wrote (edited )

While I completely agree with your critique of the USSR, it doesn't do anything to prove that stateless communism would be any better. It would still marginalise the individual in favour of the collective. That's just how people are, they join a clique and then dig in and shun anyone outside it. Under anarcho-communism, the "good of the collective" would be a lot like our current "democracy for the majority" i.e. the needs of minorities or people that choose to go at it alone would be ignored.

If the ancom community decides they want to mine the woods and I live alone in those woods, I'm gonna be fucked.

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sudo wrote

They don't demand that people be molded into a single collective. Individualism would still exist, and it would even flourish under communism.

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Defasher wrote (edited )

The USSR proves that's bunk.

The same goes for a lot of currents inside anarchism like anarcho-transhumanism, which would turn the world into nothing but megacities and wilderness areas where humans are banned.

Communism fails to understand basic human nature.

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23i wrote

Communism fails to understand basic human nature.

well, failing to understand something that doesn't exist isn't that much of a problem.

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Defasher wrote

My point was that human nature = humans are incredibly diverse and can't be all put in the same collectivist box. It forces us to rebel.

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sudo wrote

The USSR proves that's bunk.

How?

The same goes for a lot of currents inside anarchism like anarcho-transhumanism, which would turn the world into nothing but megacities and wilderness areas where humans are banned.

Well, I'm not an anarcho-transhumanist, so I don't advocate for that.

Communism fails to understand basic human nature.

Are you sure you're not a liberal?

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Defasher wrote

How?

Queers and anarchists being sent to gulags to be worked to death for dissenting.

Are you sure you're not a liberal?

Not being a communist doesn't make one a liberal. I'm a recovered communist who has realised that communism doesn't go far enough to fix our insurmountable problems.

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ShapesInMist wrote

Postleftist. Is this site for left liberals or some shit? Cos Reading this thread is a fucking joke.

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Defasher wrote

Post-left anarchists aren't left liberals. There's no such thing as a left liberal.