Despite their claims to the contrary, yes stalinists are fascists

Submitted by ziq in Communism (edited )

Fascism is a form of radical authoritarian ultranationalism, characterized by dictatorial power, forcible suppression of opposition and control of industry and commerce.

What exactly is the difference between this and stalinism? How can anyone look at the definition of fascism, and the definition of communism, and them swear up and down that stalinism is communism and not fascism?


the common ownership of the means of production and the absence of social classes, money and the state.

Stalinism: a ruling social class owns the means of production. Dictator. Money. State. Death squads for dissenters.

Stalinism is fascism. Not 'red fascism'; just straight up unapologetic fascism.


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martasultan wrote

Not 'red fascism'; just straight up unapologetic fascism.

gonna be dead with you I often call it 'brown fascism' when referring to Mussolini + Hitler for this reason, to try to not make it seem like one's fascism-but-not-as-bad


ziq wrote

These distinctions we make because things weren't exactly the same under one fascist dictator as they were under another are so confusing to me. The only real difference in this case is that the 'brown' fascists admit to being fascists while the 'red' fascists claim to be communists. But a big chunk of the brown ones also claim they're socialist...

So one set of liars appropriate the word 'socialism' and the other set take 'communism'... that's the only functional difference; the word they choose to use in their doublespeak as they enslave, colonize and genocide.


Freux wrote

Like /u/martasultan, I think of the colour as a simple distinction of who committed fascism not that one is less than the other.


ziq wrote (edited )

It just annoys me because the color red has always been synonymous with communism, so 'red fascism' associates communism with fascism; which just furthers their agenda of redefining 'communism' into something meaning 'authoritarian capitalist empire'.


Freux wrote

As communists want the "temporary" power of the state to impose communism, the red fascism fits well. Red is also associate with anger, blood, etc. As far as I know, so called communists have never establish communism either. For me, communism is black and red.

But I see your point, I don't think I've used "red fascism" in any discussion before so I will simply continue to not use it in your presence, or site wide if it bothers more people.