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PainlessEphemera wrote

Didn’t people say that the atrocities in Nazi Germany, the Holocaust, extermination camps, wasn’t true? That it was impossible for someone to be that cruel. That’s why I wouldn’t assume the stories about imprisoning generations at a time and other awful things aren’t true. Besides, what would the refugees from the camps gain from lying about the conditions?

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SpiritOfTito wrote (edited )

We're at nazi germany already?

Nazi germany systematically exterminated 11 million people in one year.

North korea has been barraged by propaganda since the korean war.

The defectors with the most outlandish tales sold their stories to south korean tabloids and became celebrities/rich off them. As that money dried up and for those that didn't share similar tales they (as the article indicates) just ended up in bedsits living a meagre existence and discriminated against in SK society.

Why are so many bootlickers on this website?

The US has killed far more people than anyone else on the planet in 70 years. They imprison as percent of their population, more people than Iran, russia, china or north korea or any civilisation that has ever existed.

https://mobile.nytimes.com/2008/04/23/world/americas/23iht-23prison.12253738

Why do people beat the "humanitarian intervention" against a nation that hasn't invaded anyone since SK in the 50s?

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Defasher wrote

Rejecting all tyrants; all states doesn't make us bootlickers, it makes us smart.

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SpiritOfTito wrote (edited )

Its convenient when anarchists and socialists of various stripes and "left intellectuals" reject tyrants rather than stand against all imperialism, it means and stands for nothing less than the status quo and a war against a peoples that already suffered the devastating atrocity of having 20 percent of their population murdered by the super power of the world.

Which is what the US did to the dprk in the 50s

And continues to do by blockading their shipping ports.

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Defasher wrote (edited )

the fuck are you on about? How do I not stand against imperialism? I'm not even Western - imperialism has fucked my family going back countless generations.

you can reject states AND their imperialism. Aint hard, bruv.

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SpiritOfTito wrote (edited )

I don't know. Seems quite easy to say such a thing when safely ensconced within a virulently anti communist and anti leftist society and say you "reject all states" when it comes to imperialism.

Thats just simply a false equivilence. And ignores how the entire world is divided under global capitalism(IE. Into states).

So when it comes to anti imperialism struggles and not wanting disgusting western boots on the ground of iraq, Syria, yemen, somalia, north korea you can simply go:

Yeah but fuck those guys i reject all states.

Must be a very comforting position to take.

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Defasher wrote (edited )

So the solution to imperialism is more states. Gotchya. Because its worked SO well up until now.

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SpiritOfTito wrote (edited )

Thats exactly what I said. States eh, cant get enough of them. Yummy yummy states /s

Whilst your putting words in my mouth ill put some in yours: Thanks for saying how good I look today. Its probably the shampoo and a good nights sleep

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Defasher wrote

If you aint saying states need to exist to defeat imperialism then wot?

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SpiritOfTito wrote (edited )

You think any nation under the threat of US imperialism should dissolve their states, their standing armies, their methods of hierarchy and what?

Open the gates of their coumtry so the US can fuck them five ways from Sunday, murder 20 percent of their population, steal their resources and then not report it in their newspapers like the did in the 50s and like they refuse to report on the US inflicted famine in Yemen?

I mean sure you could do that and be a principled leftist. You'd also be a dead leftist.

Its not for me to say ultimately how people under the bootheel of US imperialism should organise to protect themselves.

But if i were asked for advice I would say dissolving your state whilst under the threat of the Great Satan would be the stupidest thing you can do.

Again, That doesnt mean I support the organisation of human society into states.

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Defasher wrote (edited )

If the ppl refuse to be ruled then america has nutin to conquer. Decentralised guerilla warfare is the only way to keep the empire in the hole. Centralised power falls in an instant and takes all of us with it.

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SpiritOfTito wrote

Well now thats something I can get on board with.

At the same time I cant begrudge people that lived through the horror of the 50s in NK and who have a orange faced gimp threatening to destroy them who turn to their state for security.