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asg101 wrote

Is there a TLDR anywhere? I thought the world was going to end before I got 1/3 of the way through.

I personally chose to take the long view. Earth has rebooted its ecosphere many times, and will do so again. We brought the reboot on ourselves this time, through greed, selfishness and deliberate, willful ignorance. History is full of failed species, but not many took most of the other ones with it.

Even the world-wide slowing of pollution we see today might not be enough to stop the reboot, the greenhouse gas pumped into the atmosphere 30 years ago is driving the change we see today. There is a long lag, and methane deposits are exploding in the Arctic already.

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a_perfect_map OP wrote

Hey there- I personally see civilization/nature as a invalid binary, technology and industrialization emerged from nature; human beings are like a mega volcano or large asteroid hitting earth.

Agreed on those methane deposits, that stuff is a much more efficient insulator than carbon dioxide too.

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celebratedrecluse wrote

Technically everything emerged from a single irreducible point almost 14 billion years ago. I think it is reasonable to distinguish industrial civilization from everything else, including the ways humans have lived for the vast majority of our species' existence

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a_perfect_map OP wrote

We really are all just the big bang, still expanding huh? My thinking is that the human/nature binary was deliberate and harmful, it frames nature as something abstract, "out there" and seperate, and this makes it easy to exploit and eventually destroy.

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celebratedrecluse wrote

Sure, i was being flippant. It is good to not regard humans as separate from nature. However, if we cannot identify that industrial society is inherently a process of separating humans from nature, i feel we've lost the crux of what industrial society is.

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