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Hopium wrote

Reply to comment by ziq in by unneeded_junes

I agree nevertheless. ¯\_ (ツ)_/¯

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Defasher wrote

what's it like being that piece of shit that clings to the side of the bowl no matter how many times you flush?

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moonlune wrote (edited )

god I missed you defasher

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Hopium wrote

I beg your pardon?

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Defasher wrote

genocide apologists are pieces of shit

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Bezotcovschina wrote (edited )

"Well, I see, it's a controversial topic I know very little about, and it seems like a lot of propaganda going around it, so I've decided to study this topic a bit more, try myself to find information about it"

"You piece of shit!"

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Defasher wrote

because giving equal consideration to both the nazi and the jewish perspective on the holocaust is oh so reasonable

this site is going to shit

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Bezotcovschina wrote (edited )

When the only mainstream source of information other then official CPC is Radio Free Asia, it seems only reasonable to dig into topic yourself and it necessary means to at least consider official reports. Because, if you try to "own" some genocide apologist on a subject, they will throw those reports at you, so you better be familiar with it.

this site is going to shit

From my perspective, the best time on raddle is right now.

EDIT: I've spent several minutes thinking about it, and, yeah, on the other hand, ignorance is a poor excuse in this situation. And "I have no dog in this fight, so I consider both propaganda and counter-propaganda" is a little bit of a shitty way to phrase it.

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Pash wrote (edited )

You don't give any weight to Nazi documents on the Holocaust, like the Wannsee briefing docs or Müller's telegram?

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Defasher wrote

All I need is the testimony of the Jewish people who were in the camps, and the nazi documents weren't released by the nazis deliberately, so your point isn't as astute as you think it is. Trusting a genociding state's PR statements on the genocide is not the same as trusting classified documents seized after that state collapses.

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Pash wrote (edited )

and the nazi documents weren't released by the nazis deliberately

That's my point: similar to the China Cables, and the Ürümqi police docs The Intercept got in January.

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Hopium wrote

I agree.

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107a wrote

But you feel the need to listen to their perspective..?

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Hopium wrote

You need facts before you make conclusions/judgements/labels.

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107a wrote

And you believe the atrocity committers will give you facts about their atrocities?

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Hopium wrote

First we need to find out what atrocities did or did not happen.

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Hopium wrote

Just because other people are sloppy, that's no reason to be sloppy.

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Hopium wrote

Read the thread: lots of them here lol!

They know everything in advance without checking any of the facts or evidence.

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107a wrote

So I gather you're a proponent of getting facts and evidence from the police and the KKK before condemning them for executing people? And giving equal voice to concentration camp guards as the people they interned?

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