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CPUSA wrote

You are correct that hurt_chinese is very likely to be a Western reactionary posing as a Chinese worker, but please explain to me what is wrong with having a 5-year plan, or any of China's great plans? Are you against social planning? Do you believe the people should be given no structure or directives to work under? How will you achieve communism without clear and concise direction from the party?

Let's not pretend China isn't the leader of global climate strategy and all that entails. They achieve this with their strong dedication to future planning. A concept that seems to escape you.

In 2016 Xi gave an important speech outlining the future ecological civilization in China's 13th Five Year Plan. Does America make concrete plans like Xi's to avert climate change? Does Europe? Australia? Any capitalist nation? No. No. No. Only loose unofficial pledges with capitalists at economic forums that aren't ever adhered to.

Without solid achievable plans, we have nothing. Only a reactionary would attack these progressive plans. What is your plan for solving the climate crisis while guarding worker rights? Tell me please.

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emma OP wrote

You are correct that hurt_chinese is very likely to be a Western reactionary posing as a Chinese worker

I said there's no evidence they aren't. I did not say it is likely. Is it dialectics to misconstrue what people say?

but please explain to me what is wrong with having a 5-year plan, or any of China's great plans?

Who said this is wrong? Is it dialectics to put words in peoples' mouths?

Are you against social planning?

No.

Do you believe the people should be given no structure or directives to work under?

Yes.

How will you achieve communism without clear and concise direction from the party?

How will you achieve communism when your party turns a blind eye to worker exploitation, only addressing it in print?

Let's not pretend China isn't the leader of global climate strategy and all that entails. They achieve this with their strong dedication to future planning. A concept that seems to escape you.

That's cool. I can't wait until it materialises.

In 2016 Xi gave an important speech outlining the future ecological civilization in China's 13th Five Year Plan. Does America make concrete plans like Xi's to avert climate change? Does Europe? Australia? Any capitalist nation? No. No. No. Only loose unofficial pledges with capitalists at economic forums that aren't ever adhered to.

Again, cool. Can't wait until China has solved its environmental issues in *checks notes* a little under 4 months. Surely this is going to happen.

Without solid achievable plans, we have nothing. Only a reactionary would attack these progressive plans. What is your plan for solving the climate crisis while guarding worker rights? Tell me please.

Sorry, I missed the part where workers' rights were being guarded.

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CPUSA wrote

The party always has worker rights as it's first priority, to claim otherwise just shows you have been eating the feces dressed up as caviar, or worse, are the person serving up the feces to unsuspecting leftists who haven't yet read theory. Which is it?

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emma OP wrote (edited )

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ComradeXi wrote

I'm going to assume good faith from you for now and respond accordingly...

This should explains things to you but if it's too technical, please let me know and I will try to condense things so even an anarchist can understand.

First you must understand that communist revolutions only happen when two separate but connected factors are met: both objective and subjective conditions.

First, the objective conditions which has two points.

Point 1: capitalism must have installed a large worker class in the capitalist society.

Point 2: The society must be in a mode of crisis (late stage capitalism) in order for the workers to rise up against capitalism.

Both of these objective conditions have been met.

Then there are the subjective conditions that need to be met for revolution to be possible. Three points.

Point 1: The revolutionaries must be between 3-10% of the population of the state. This is how many informed comrades we need to create the conditions for revolution.

This condition is met.

Point 2: These comrades must have a complete understanding of dialectics if they are to present the plans in a way that gains the support of the uninformed masses...

This condition is also largely met among Marxists.

Now the final point which makes the difference between a successful revolution and a worker massacre... The point that has not been met yet because of people like you...

Point 3: It's absolutely integral for the masses to put their trust in the revolutionary party so that they can work together towards achieving the socialist society.

There can be no room for debate or questioning orders or the revolution will fail as the counter-revolutionaries exploit the party divisions and the flaky nature of the ignorant masses to destroy the revolution in its infancy.

Once the leaders have decided on a plan and have presented it to us, we must not question it or it will all fall apart as quickly as a Jenga tower in the hands of an impatient child.

So dear Emma, when you speak of these so-called practical consequences, you do a great disservice to the party's plan and its implementation. By seeding doubt and mistrust, you damage the revolution and the reputations of its brave hard-working architects.

Please consider your words more carefully in the future when speaking in a public venue such as this about socialism, China or the party. This doomer attitude only sabotages the revolution, it turns workers against each other as they engage in petty squabbles about the integrity of the leadership rather than following the plan. The plan can only work if we all believe in it and follow it without question. Nihilism is our worst enemy.

[I was banned while writing this so have had to start yet another account, and you claim to not be authoritarians]

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emma OP wrote

If you're going to try to recruit people to your cult, choose someone vulnerable and isolated, in an environment where people can't call you out on your shit. I'm familiar with all your talking points and leaps of logic, having previously been a target for recruitment myself.

Better yet, delete all your accounts, quit your cosplaying, and begin dissecting your beliefs. Your future self will thank you.

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ziq wrote

Their propaganda would probably work better if raddle weren't limited to adults.

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