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KacperTheAnarchist wrote

Really shit what happened to them.

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transtifa wrote

Yeah :( Idk why u/Ziq is making fun of the ppl

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ziq OP wrote (edited )

I'm not really making fun of them. I'd put it in f/rate_that_praxis or f/funny if I was. It's in f/illegalism because of this part:

a locomotive unit worth about £8,500

My car is worth 3000. My house cost 20k. So I have little sympathy considering this is a very expensive hobby for wealthy people. They could be feeding a lot of hungry people with all that money.

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BrowseDuringClass1917 wrote (edited )

These are pensioners Ziq, they aren’t the bourgeois. Let old people have their hobbies, not everybody can be dedicated to praxis.

The grandfather-of-five, a retired teacher, said the display had taken hours to prepare and included exhibits which were the ‘life’s work’ of some members.

These people are teachers and construction workers and everybody in between, they’re us, they’re not the rich.

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ziq OP wrote

wealth is relative (to your own wealth)

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BrowseDuringClass1917 wrote

So we should celebrate destroying the hobby work of elderly people who just happened to be lucky enough to retire back when social safety nets existed?

Sounds pretty fucked to me, especially when your only reasoning is that one of them had an $8,500 model. As if old people can’t slowly build up $8,500 worth of model train equipment that they’ve likely been working on for years.

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ziq OP wrote

I honestly couldn't care less that their expensive toys got broken. I posted so many fucked up articles today - dead migrant kids, mass extinction, millennials poverty-stricken no matter how hard they work, kid arrested for killing abusive dad, 8 million fish killed by climate change, China literally melting the ozone layer, neo-workhouses being built by the UK, the EPA plotting to hide industry's murders. And this is the one everyone cries over? Some Boomers with broken trainsets?

lol

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BrowseDuringClass1917 wrote (edited )

That’s a terrible take. People aren’t crying over this because they think it’s more important, people are just a bit peeved that you think this can be considered illegalist praxis. We all agree that the other shit is bad and have quite similar opinions so it’s not like we can really have any new conversations.

What we can have conversations about is the fact that you think this is praxis when it clearly isn’t. This is just a bunch of douche teenagers who fucked with some random old people’s shit, it isn’t even political, it’s just dumb.

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n_n wrote

dumb

Please don't use that word, it's ableist. Use foolish, wicked, vile, mean, hateful, etc.

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ziq OP wrote

They wasted their whole lives building those train sets

: D : D : D

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BrowseDuringClass1917 wrote (edited )

Most people see homelessness/poverty as these big systemic issues and also rightfully understand that most of the NGOs/charities meant to stop homelessness are bullshit, so for them it's often hard to figure out where to start. Something like this, on the other hand, is very personal and sad and people have a place to help directly.

Also the people who donated to this are probably pretty bourgie so you can't really expect them to give a shit about real issues.

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ziq OP wrote (edited )

yo, buy me some vintage star wars action figures. my whole collection got stolen when I was a kid and I cried my eyes out for hours.

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BrowseDuringClass1917 wrote

Then your point has nothing to do with my conversation with Ziq. It still remains true that this isn't and can never be considered an example of illegalist praxis.

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ziq OP wrote

When I posted it, I was completely neutral... but I'm sure as hell celebrating it now.

I'm itching to step on someone's model train.

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BrowseDuringClass1917 wrote

I was simply explaining why I think this isn’t praxis, no need to act like this.

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BrowseDuringClass1917 wrote

I mean you spamming me with multiple random and useless comments.

You really know how to ruin a thread.

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mustard wrote

who cares about a stupid trainset ? those little shits are avant gard af lol of course smashing trains id solid praxis!

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n_n wrote (edited )

stupid

Please don't use that word, it's ableist and has an eugenic background. Ridiculous, foolish, frivolous, silly and shitty are some alternatives.

Edit: a word.

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mustard wrote

how is it ableist to insult a trainset?; trainsets don't have any mental capacity. i don't understand how this could be offensive. like, does any slower or duller minded people seriously self-identify as stupid? there are no stupid people in my opinion, only stupid things that people do. nevermind the haters. they don't get to define words for us.

none of your suggested alternatives say what i mean. how about imbecilic, asinine, senseless ?

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n_n wrote

It is a pejorative for misdeeds, whether purposeful or accidental, due to absence of mental capacity. When you say that something is "stupid" you are comparing that with people with mental disability that were (and still are by many) inferior and defectively, to the point that they deserve to be discriminated or even don't deserve to live. In other words it puts intellectual disability like it's something wrong, in negative way. The fact that people think that is wordy to be used as an insult is discriminatory. And Raddle don't tolerate bigotry. Is in the ToS.

Imbecilic is also ableist. The other two are ok I think.

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mustard wrote

i was being stubbornly obtuse. i do prefer to choose words more carefully.

Thank You

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meowmarx wrote

It’s an understandable reaction. It feels limiting and unjust. And then, we are so much more free and so much stronger for appreciating fully the impact of language, which is living and defines everyone’s reality, i.e. a measure of the possible - or exactly what praxis is supposed to be about. Which truth are you telling and what reality does that shape for everyone?

You used 15 words and suddenly, for a moment, you’re this image of kind humility. You did that.

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ziq OP wrote (edited )

for real tho, you got 3 downvotes in 1 minute. someone is using a bot or something.

edit: make that 4

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ziq OP wrote

in that case, I'll add my downvote to the pile

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ziq OP wrote (edited )

same here. that's how defasher was born. I kept getting flooded with downvotes for being anticiv.

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ziq OP wrote

/u/dickdickdickdick

/u/Gaygaygaygayvay

is where 2 of each downvote is coming from.

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black_fox wrote

wait can admins see which users vote on which posts?

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ziq OP wrote

emma can if she looks at the server. I guess I could too if I cared enough to figure out how to do it.

regular admins without server access see a page of all users arranged by new, and it shows how many comments / posts / comment votes / post votes each user has... So a couple of brand new users with 66 votes looks suspicious as fuck.

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ziq OP wrote (edited )

it's actually a lot funnier when the "oh no those poor trainsets!" crowd is getting massively upvoted. I upvoted everything they said.

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ziq OP wrote

they're useful for annoying me enough to take off the gloves and verbally destroy the person smugposting at me while I'm being downvoted.

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mustard wrote

yeah i like to feel feelings too. i like you, amongst clouds.

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mustard wrote

i like you too ziq. BitterSweet

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ziq OP wrote

I don't like mustard. It leaves a bad taste in my mouth. Of all the condiments, the only one I'll consider using is tabasco sauce.

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mustard wrote

i like tabasco sauce, too!

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ziq OP wrote

I've suddenly gone off tabasco sauce. I'll stick with plain tomato paste.

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