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tnstaec wrote

Section 1. Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction.

Section 2. Congress shall have power to enforce this article by appropriate legislation.

The Thirteenth Amendment is pretty clear.


NeoliberalismKills wrote

Yes and yes. It isn't hard. The loss of freedom is supposed to be the "punishment" and to "protect" society. That's the argument anyway. Listening to right wingers we're doing them a favor incarcerating them and the least they could so to thank us is work.


seitanicqueer98 wrote

yep. if you dig hiphop, you'd like killer mike's "reagan." it exposes 80s drug policies and relates black incarceration to the 13th amendment.


tapeworm wrote

I think it clearly does, but sadly the establishment decides what the definition of 'slavery' is, so it'll be another 100 years before we call it what it is.


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Enkara wrote (edited )

Erm... well you have to ask yourself what is "voluntary" anyway?

For instance, put a human into a concrete box for 20+ hours a day, with little or no time outside, then give them a chance to go work outside picking up trash and they'll jump on it because you are depriving them of something vital for their soul, they are forced to get it any way they can.


sudo wrote

inaccuracy in good arguments breaks the argument if the opposite party can call you on it.

Agreed, but I'd go on to say that it breaks the argument, even if the opposite party doesn't call you on it. People shouldn't strive to be correct only to win arguments; they should strive to be correct for the sake of being correct.