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An_Old_Big_Tree wrote (edited )

I don't know.

If we're talking about a specific individual, I suspect that it's very uncommon and that there's no prescribable way to do it, so basically if it happens it'd likely just be luck. We can't control the many things that reinforce their worldview on a daily basis.

I'm very interested in stuff like this, so I've done some research into pedagogies ( f/pedagogies ) and accountability processes ( f/accountability ). On raddle we've got tiny forums like f/CareTactics. I think pedagogy isn't combined with accountability enough, and pedagogy is just created to be practiced with the oppressed rather than oppressors, so I think there's very important work to be done there.

Also it depends what 'recovery' means. Does it mean becoming a liberal? An anarchist?

If we're not talking about at an individual level but at the level of general population, I think of it more like an multigenerational effort. Mostly people only learn when they want to, so I rather make the opportunity available for those who want to to be able to. People who are stuck in their ways are stuck in their ways, but if we can change the social imaginary and the material conditions, we can set up people who are open to learning to do that learning.

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TanktopTiger wrote

This is an interesting question. I made a raddle account recently to learn more about anarchists/communists/the left and their perspective, so obviously by that admission I don't view myself as one of these things. While I would not describe myself as a fascist at all, I suspect if I really engaged on politics here I would get called that, since that term seems (from the very limited lurking I've done here) to be applied to even mainstream thinking fairly liberally here.

So, as far as recovering someone -- either a bonafide fascist or even more of a normie/libertarian who's closer to fascist than would be to your liking -- I'd say the first obstacle would be to have a conversation. That said, I can see that lefties could be frustrated by non-lefties who dangle the possibility of conversation in order to have a debate which would otherwise not be sought and I'm sure this happens quite often (I am trying me best not to do this). Overall, it seems like there is a lot of latent vitriol and resentment that comes out when people discuss politics, so the main challenge would be to present your side without letting the anger slip, and also disarming the anger that comes from your friend/potential convert. Perhaps a strategy for disarming would be to ask questions and listen first so you can address their beliefs and try to help them through some contradictions you perceive within their own worldview -- though you may have to listen to some things you find detestable in order to do this.

For those who are ready to downvote and insult me, do what you gotta do, but if you want to talk to me i'll at least hear you out.

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shanc wrote

I was way, way down the shitty rabbit hole in the 90s. Don't really want to go into it tbh. But yes, I do think it's plausible.

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rot wrote

about how old were you? I feel like older people have a harder time changing their minds

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shanc wrote

Teens (pls no dox!)

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rot wrote

makes sense thats when people develop their view of the world

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surreal wrote

Depends on the person, the younger the more possible.

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MSNBC wrote

Yes but it is very hard. Hillary upset a lot of people that either voted for Trump or didn't vote at all. Many got red pilled into the Conservatives. You have to convince them that liberalism works and that socialism is best for the whole nation.

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shanc wrote

TIL fascism started when Hillary Clinton 'upset a lot of people'

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