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Majrelende wrote

Pragmatism and idealism are both useless in isolation— in my opinion, it is best to find a practical way to come closer to an ideal.

When we sacrifice practicality for our ideals, we get situations like nonviolent civil disobedience, where great amounts of people are jailed because they refused to defend themselves. They could have been making change during that jail time.

Sacrificing ideals for practicality should already set off alarms for you. See “left unity” and other forms of submission to statists.

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hermit_dragon wrote

both and probably neither (really depends on how you define them and what we're talking about)

I like to find pragmatic ways to work toward ideals

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An_Old_Big_Tree wrote

Not really sure what you mean here. I don't know what utopia would look like because whatever it is it would be made with others - I think that having a concrete idea of utopia is authoritarian. So maybe that means I'm not an idealist. I have directions, and an awareness of unacceptable things.

Honestly for me it depends on the day, how I'm feeling and how things have been lately how much I'm aiming for grand things or for small things. I try to do it all, to be the most of me that I can be at any one time. So my ideal is; the unmaking of this world, building unknown alternatives, together with those I love - which is just to say, the things that give me my greatest joy and greatest peace.

I think there's no saving us and the world is fucked and will generally only get worse. At the same time I feel capacitated by all of the possibilities that our actions open up. I want to see where they take me.

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An_Old_Big_Tree wrote

I don’t think imagining an ideal world is authoritarian. Requiring that other people share yours is though.

To explain why i think it is; it is self-policing. The kind of world I want would take multiple generations to bring about and I feel like I probably couldn't imagine it now if I tried. I don't want my present image of a desirable world to obscure the possibilities that may emerge. So rather the kind of world I imagine is as fluid as possible and as open to possibilities as possible, which isn't a concrete image, as I said.

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celebratedrecluse wrote

Thirty seven

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