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Tequila_Wolf wrote

Revolution is happening all the time. You mean successful, completed revolution? What is that?

I think there are degrees of liberation that any person or community experiences and that this changes all the time. Mostly I aim for as much liberation for as many people for as long as is possible.

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foggymorn wrote

This. I think permanent revolution is the only revolution that's real.

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Defasher wrote (edited )

Only if collapse precedes it. Neoliberalism can't be cut down with a few executions like what happened with the Russian revolution, it has too many arms. So it needs to collapse in on itself before a libre society can be enacted.

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foggymorn wrote

How do you know collapse will be followed by communism though? It might lead to an even worse state of affairs than we have now.

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Defasher wrote (edited )

I don't know. No one can. That's why utopian ideologies are ridiculous. All we can do is fight, whether or not we ever win is irrelevant.

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ziq wrote (edited )

That's a complicated question.

If we're talking about the West - no. I think America's power structure has too many roots to sever. America would need to collapse before any real change could happen.

But outside the West revolution is possible, but only if it's properly armored to protect against American imperialism, which won't hesitate to spend billions to subvert any society that doesn't fall in line with the empire.

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zod wrote

We're obviously in the absolute last phase of neoliberal capitalism before it morphs into something else (likely corporate socialism with a guaranteed minimum income that we are only allowed to spend on products made by the big conglomerates).

The question will be if humanity will be satisfied with that new state of affairs, where the 1% have so much power that everything in our lives revolves around them making a profit. If they stop making a profit, our welfare is cut off, and we starve.

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OnceaTeacher wrote

Possible? Yes. Probable? Not yet.

At the moment, world-wide capitalism has a strong hand; the ability of the propertarian and the statist to divide and suppress is very great. Also, after many years of capitalism in the ascendant, class consciousness and international solidarity have been eroded.

Yes. Revolutionary conditions arise, but such moments are short lived.

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sudo wrote

Yes, definitely. It's in progress in India and the Philippines, and there are strong communist movements in most third-world countries. For first-world countries, communist movements are weaker, but they get stronger every time a capitalist crisis happens. Definitely still possible, just harder.

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julka wrote

Not only possible, but inevitable.

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Xylanthius wrote

Revolution is like enlightenment. The universe is not white and black. It’s infinite.

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Apo wrote

Unless Rojava somehow takes off, I honestly don't see any major succesful revolution happening in a decade or two at least. There's not enough support for that

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sudo wrote

The revolution in the Philippines is doing pretty well these days.

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zer0crash wrote

All things are possible because human potential is limitless! We must work to remove the obstacles!

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joedefiant wrote

I just joined this site I saw a post about it on a anarcho syndicalist discussion group. Creating things like this site are all small steps in the right direction. "Not whether we accomplish anarchism today, tomorrow, or within ten centuries, but that we walk towards anarchism today, tomorrow, and always." -- Errico Malatesta 'Towards Anarchism'

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ziq wrote (edited )

It helps that this community is non hierarchal, free/open source and managed by its own members.

Everyone is doing a great job of showing the rest of the internet how mutual aid and direct democracy work very well.

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project9501 wrote

Sure it's possible. In theory.

It's a question of numbers, time, and acceptable consequence. Hot-war revolution, the "new Civil War," means massive disruption and millions of deaths, mostly the poor, oppressed, disabled, etc. And unless we had massive numbers of trained, violent people, we'd just expend ourselves against the three-percenters and the private armies of the rich, to no effect.

Slow revolution, via the "legitimate processes?" Maybe, maybe not. You're not going to break neoliberalism in the voting booth but you can bend it, if the stars align, maybe -- maybe -- effect a transition to democratic socialism. Once that's normalized, maybe push further. Of course, that takes time (and numbers, still), and we don't have time. The planet doesn't have time.

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daedlanth wrote

A very violent one is always under the surface involving many different players. We've went down that road to the trash heap many times before. Discussing Anarchist views on a day to day basis with everyone I know has shown me how truth & common sense bleeds into society over time.

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ziq wrote

People you encounter are more open to anarchist ideas than in the past?

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ChairmanLOL wrote

Yes, but we just have to wait. Nazis pride themselves on masculinity, exercise and testosterone which will lead to them all dying of heart disease at 50 years old. They laugh at vegans and soy but i'm actually far healthier than any of them and so come 35 years time they won't even be around to maintain their corrupt system. We'll just cycle right in to congress and take our rightful place.

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Krantuperino wrote

Yes and no. Full complete world-wide revolution? No fucking way, not enough people are aware of this and support the cause. But there are already small anarchist communities in not completely remote places that are functional.

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Chomskyist wrote

For sure. We're going to have full automation VERY soon, and then there will be no menial tasks that need to be done by humans, so without work, we can finally evolve to the next level.

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foggymorn wrote

Is that really a revolution though? That sounds more like an evolution of capitalism - the work done by the machines, but the elites still amass all the wealth and throw us some crumbs.

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Chomskyist wrote

Of course it's a revolution, it'll an even bigger impact than the industrial revolution when everyone has equal access to lifechanging technologies.

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Defasher wrote (edited )

First of all, 8 billion people aren't going to have equal access to iphones, macbook pros and VR headsets. It'll just be people in affluent parts of the world, and the third world will continue to be exploited to produce that tech. Why would African kids want to mine your phones if they had the choice? If they were given all the luxuries you have, no way would they choose to go back to the mine.

Second, "lifechanging technologies" is right. Technologies that will make us less human and less connected to the Earth are not going to help anyone.

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Chomskyist wrote

But we don't need kids to work the mines if we have full automation, robots will do it and the kids will be able to go to school.

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Defasher wrote

And when those kids finally get their fancy PhDs and look up from their desks to see that their lands are now decimated by giant robots making cellphones and tablets for white people who live half way across the world, what then?