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How many of you are involved in organizing?

Submitted by SpiritOfTito in AskRaddle (edited )

And if not, why the fuck not?

I'm with a local trot branch and were involved in trying to oppose cuts to our local town as well as weekly stalls three times a week selling our papers and trying to engage people in conversation and generally recruit. You?

Edit: Comrads! If you're not organising you're politically invisible! Start today!

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emma wrote (edited )

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Nichism wrote

Same here, conrad. I was at a protest today that was much smaller than I thought and everybody knew eachother. Just going out and doing something like that on my own is like moving mountains for me so being the person off to the side that no one knew made it a lot worse.

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Copenhagen_Bram wrote

I hate that feeling. I get it because I haven't known the people at school since 1st grade like everyone else. But I keep trying because I want to become a people person. In fact, I've decided to read the bible so I can have something to talk about with the Christians around here.

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red_tide wrote

You can always try and use Liberation theology to convince them of Revolutionary struggle within Christianity.

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SpiritOfTito wrote

Ah that is unfortunate comrade

I went through a similar thing last year of quite bad anxiety. I retreated a bit did some things I enjoy in solitary (watercolours/reading) and it passed.

Hope it does for you too as we'll need you in the comng years

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sudo wrote

Watch out for us spooky scary Leninsts, coming to keep civilization intact because civilization itself isn't bad.

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sudo wrote

I think some version of Kronstadt is pretty much inevitable when anarchists and communists work together to overthrow capitalism. Once capitalism has been destroyed, the anarchists will want to destroy the state outright, while the communists will want to smash the bourgeois state, and create a proletarian state, which will wither away as the capitalists themselves wither away. Each one is unacceptable to the other, so of course they will try to fight each other to prevent the other from having their way. This is why I don't understand the people who say "We can work out our differences after the revolution" - it's pretty obvious that a war is going to be how we "work out our differences."

Also, what did Kronstadt have to do with not wanting to destroy civilization?

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sudo wrote

Pssh, we don't want to control you, we want you to control you. You sound like one of those people who will say "We need to do X," but will then denounce every plan to actually do X.

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BlackFlagged wrote

Seriously tho fam, why do you think communism requires a transitional state when it's never worked before?

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sudo wrote

They all worked perfectly well, until foreign capital interfered. And Cuba is still going strong despite interference.

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sudo wrote

Because how new your cars are are the only reasonable measure of the strength of an economy. Come on. (And besides, they're getting new cars from China.)

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sudo wrote

Ah yes, socialist economies are the real greedy ones. I suppose antifascists are also the real fascists?

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SpiritOfTito wrote (edited )

Not op but not a single anarchist movement has lasted beyond a few years.

Really existing communism however took an agrarian peasant nation to the second super power of the world, defeated nazi Germany, first man into space, first woman into space and launched the first satellite into orbit.

Hell, even the non stalinist state of Yugoslavia lasted until NATO dismembered it in the 90s.

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Defasher wrote

State capitalism isn't 'really existing communism', sorry bruv,

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SpiritOfTito wrote (edited )

State capitalism is an appallng reduction of the USSR.

They effectively got rid of the private profit motive and surplus value of labour. If your analysis of the ussr is state capitalism its a poor analysis.

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Pop wrote

I'm involved in organising my continuing to live mostly

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SpiritOfTito wrote (edited )

A most worthy cause. Now go join a revolutionary organization on the back of being so successful at your organizing!

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000 wrote

I prefer to sow seeds of nihilism to everyone I meet in the hope that they awaken to the hellscape in which we all currently dwell. Does that count?

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fuck wrote

Not currently organized, only socialists near me are social democrats waving banners about opposing trump (even though we aren't in America). Can't bring myself to organize with people like that. Looking around to find some anarchist orgs to join in my area, probably going to visit the nearest anarchist bookstore sometime soon and find some like minded comrades.

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ziq wrote

I'm more of a direct action person. I don't trust anyone to help me.

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dark wrote

We're building an IWW branch in our area and some anti-poverty organisations (:

It's a start and they've all come quite a way already in the years they've been active.

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SpiritOfTito wrote

Had to scroll a long way down to get to someone organizing!

Good to hear and great work :)

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surreal wrote

i've been approaching many groups in towns i've been and there was a variery of initiatives but mostly non-violent and small scale. the last one was a mix of leftists and anarchists but on a place with rent and had to close down cause of a not so wide participation, the town has a population of ~15k and our group had about 30ppl with 5-10 active. but in a town around 50km from there, there is a very active place. now i've moved again and the closest place is rather toxic, they are split in two anarchist groups in the same building that they are occupying, mostly for personal conflicts, and the one of the two is closed..wtf. so i am solo for now.

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sudo wrote

I am; I'm currently a member of a communist party where I live. It's pretty cool. But I don't want to reveal more details than that.

Also, you're telling me that what they say about Trotskyists and newspapers is true?

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SpiritOfTito wrote

Oh absolutely. Trots love to talk about the paper and measure class consiousness by how many papers sold (Jesus wept).

But on the flip side I see the paper as pretty much a chance to strike random conversations with people and win them to our ideas and if possible recruit for our org

On the flip side (as I only really have the trot org near me, the other party is the gbcp which carry pictures of Stalin around. And whilst I largely agree someone as brutal as Stalin would've come to power given the capitalist encirclement of the ussr, I'm still no fan of Stalin) what do other parties do in way of organizing?

The paper allows you to be agitating 3-4 times a week in public

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sudo wrote

I didn't mean to come off as anti-newspaper; I, too, distribute newspapers. I was just making an amused observation.

Also, what tips do you have for kick-starting a conversation after giving someone a paper? Usually, for me, I'll ask if they want a paper, and give it to them, but I don't know what to say after that ("So, uh... capitalists, amirite?") What do I say to get them to talk about socialism?

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SpiritOfTito wrote

Well you should largely consider your role in distributing the paper isn't just selling the paper. If selling the paper was an end goal in itself presumeably we would already have socialism and we would no longer need to sell the paper.

The paper should be considered your reason to stand in the street promoting our ideas. Not only does it sharpen you as an individual to become more socially engaged with randomers but it also sharpens your arguements when you inevitably encounter someone brainwashed by capitalist ideology.

So when you hand out your paper you should be asking "what do you feel about X" give them time to respond in full then present your (our ideas) on that subject.

As I said it'll sharpen you intellectually but the end goal should be recruitment of more comrades.

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sudo wrote

Interesting; I'll try to do more of that. Also, we don't sell our paper; we give them out for free, and we especially try to distribute them to homeless people - they're the most interested in it, anyways.