You're right, he was an unabashed loyalist given his activities and who he supported at various points in history. But like news flash Marxist anarchism exists.
Stirner is harder depending on which translation you get. The original is super dense and a lot of the playful jabs against Hegel get lost in translation, but the one by Wolfie is way easier to read.
damn, that's really condescending. I know it can be difficult to talk to people you deeply disagree with, and I really relate to that, but if you think we're the enemy I think you may be genuinely confused on who you're trying to fight... but do you, don't let me stop ya
What the fuck did you just fucking say about me, you little liberal? I’ll have you know I graduated top of my class at Harvard, and I’ve been involved in numerous chapters of the DSA, and I have over 300 books about Marx. I have read Che's Gorilla Warfare and I’m the top scholar on the entire Soviet Armed Forces. You are nothing to me but just another idealist. I will wipe you the fuck out with dialectics the likes of which has never been seen before on this Earth, mark my fucking words.
i've read marx in my free time and been taught his work in an academic context. i find his work historically interesting but generally uninspiring. important to the founding of the fields of political economy and sociology, hugely influential on radical politics, generally outdated in both.
doesn't mean i think marx isn't important to read for leftists! but god i'd really like the left to be rid of his metaphysical assumptions
There's been fun things while you were gone! Have you been lurking? People are using the chat rooms more these days; we got a few of the regulars to get on board. We've had listening parties for this new live weekly anarchist podcast. We did stuff!
Today's turning out to be such a nice day! I managed not to be arrested after being caught red handed by some cops doing some things, and I went on an adventure, and you're back :)
How are you? Maybe you should have a Dumai returns! post in f/lobby.
I've only read the manifesto and selections from capital-- i have a lot of books to read, and I feel I've absorbed the main ideas from him & Engles through what I've read so far. If there are specific selections from non-antiauthoritarian communists like him that someone wants me to respond to, i try to do so, but tbh I'm trying to self-direct my own reading selections for the most part, and Marx doesn't really seem like the best use of my time
I had to read it at school. That was a Philosophy subject. Reading Marx is not following his ideas. It may be even useful for those who wanna know more.
ziq wrote
ctuyed OP wrote
Yes, actually.
alex wrote
Haven’t read any of their stuff but I loved Duck Soup and Monkey Business
ctuyed OP wrote
This is unironically what every anarchist thinks when they hear the name Marx.
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foggymorn wrote
I don't think selver is a leftist.
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foggymorn wrote
A lot of people would argue the left only enables capitalism.
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celebratedrecluse wrote
Eh, they have a point, but only to a point. ;-)
ctuyed OP wrote
I first read Marx when I was 14.
So what does interest you?
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ctuyed OP wrote
Both ableism and ageism in 2 comments. Shouldn't the idpol police be dragging you out right about now?
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ctuyed OP wrote
Why do you celebrate ignorance?
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It's not hard when the other people are anarchists.
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ctuyed OP wrote
You actually think Marx was an anarchist. My god man.
ConquestOfToast wrote
You're right, he was an unabashed loyalist given his activities and who he supported at various points in history. But like news flash Marxist anarchism exists.
conseil wrote
Have you read Stirner?
TheLegendaryBirdMonster wrote
Which is harder between stirner and marx? I started the ego and his own but dropped it halfway in.
ConquestOfToast wrote
Stirner is harder depending on which translation you get. The original is super dense and a lot of the playful jabs against Hegel get lost in translation, but the one by Wolfie is way easier to read.
betterletter wrote
stirner is way harder
conseil wrote
Ego and Its Own sucks, the Unique and Its Property is much better. The old translation is shit.
Mango wrote
Nah but I've used Das Kapital as toilet paper.
Tequila_Wolf wrote (edited )
Not me, why? I mean, aside from the Communist Manifesto.
The closest I've read to Marx is probably Deleuze, and the Situationists.
betterletter wrote
I consider myself a situationist. far more interesting than marx
ctuyed OP wrote
Are you a goth?
betterletter wrote
idk, is this 2009?
celebratedrecluse wrote
no, this is patrick
ctuyed OP wrote
Just testing a theory that anarchists have such piss poor understanding of theory because they don't have the attention span for Marx.
alex wrote (edited )
very cool
betterletter wrote
celebratedrecluse wrote
damn, that's really condescending. I know it can be difficult to talk to people you deeply disagree with, and I really relate to that, but if you think we're the enemy I think you may be genuinely confused on who you're trying to fight... but do you, don't let me stop ya
emma wrote
What the fuck did you just fucking say about me, you little liberal? I’ll have you know I graduated top of my class at Harvard, and I’ve been involved in numerous chapters of the DSA, and I have over 300 books about Marx. I have read Che's Gorilla Warfare and I’m the top scholar on the entire Soviet Armed Forces. You are nothing to me but just another idealist. I will wipe you the fuck out with dialectics the likes of which has never been seen before on this Earth, mark my fucking words.
celebratedrecluse wrote
Che's famous autobiography
SorosBucks161 wrote
I have read the communist manifesto, critique of the Gotha program and some of Capital.
betterletter wrote
that fuckin username lmao
dude my soros check didnt come in this week and im $3000 short on rent :( send help
F_x wrote
I haven't read religious literature does that mean I can't understand morals and ethics? What's your point?
betterletter wrote
I've read and own the Communist Manifesto and an abridged version of Das Kapital. I agree with about 40% of his writing.
ctuyed OP wrote
Which parts?
betterletter wrote
the entire manifesto and all of this
https://www.amazon.com/Capital-Abridged-Oxford-Worlds-Classics/dp/0199535701
ctuyed OP wrote
Which parts do you not agree with. Be specific.
betterletter wrote
why do you need to know? quit interrogating everyone
ctuyed OP wrote
Because I think you're full of shit, quite frankly.
Dumai wrote
i've read marx in my free time and been taught his work in an academic context. i find his work historically interesting but generally uninspiring. important to the founding of the fields of political economy and sociology, hugely influential on radical politics, generally outdated in both.
doesn't mean i think marx isn't important to read for leftists! but god i'd really like the left to be rid of his metaphysical assumptions
Tequila_Wolf wrote
I HAVE MISSED YOU DUMAI OMG
Dumai wrote
you were right i really can't escape this place
Tequila_Wolf wrote
There's been fun things while you were gone! Have you been lurking? People are using the chat rooms more these days; we got a few of the regulars to get on board. We've had listening parties for this new live weekly anarchist podcast. We did stuff!
Today's turning out to be such a nice day! I managed not to be arrested after being caught red handed by some cops doing some things, and I went on an adventure, and you're back :)
How are you? Maybe you should have a Dumai returns! post in f/lobby.
ConquestOfToast wrote
I've read capital and the communist manifesto. I found it boring. Not necessarily wrong just incomplete.
Niobium62 wrote
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I wouldn't be able to understand Marx if I didn't have a high reading comprehension.
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ctuyed OP wrote
It's one of my favorite shows.
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ConquestOfToast wrote
How are you this funny all. the. time.
betterletter wrote
rick and morty is actually good though, unlike this tankie prick
VoidOutput wrote (edited )
Of course it is.
celebratedrecluse wrote
I've only read the manifesto and selections from capital-- i have a lot of books to read, and I feel I've absorbed the main ideas from him & Engles through what I've read so far. If there are specific selections from non-antiauthoritarian communists like him that someone wants me to respond to, i try to do so, but tbh I'm trying to self-direct my own reading selections for the most part, and Marx doesn't really seem like the best use of my time
10th_planet wrote
I had to read it at school. That was a Philosophy subject. Reading Marx is not following his ideas. It may be even useful for those who wanna know more.
ctuyed OP wrote
And I don't mean the Karl_Marx wikipedia entry.