Is the ship in WALL-E a capitalist or communist paradise?

Submitted by Amyise in AskRaddle

The obvious answer is it's a capitalist society. A single monopoly owns every aspect of the people's life. On the flip side, it could be a post-work Marxist utopia. No one is shown working in the film, as robots do all the labour. I would say it has no roots to the original company. There is no way they are still making money from these people, although an argument could be made the people on the ship living in luxury are rich. What do you guys think?

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edmund_the_destroyer wrote

The ship isn't a paradise, it's an impossibility.

The fact everyone sat around and ate junk and didn't exercise when they didn't have to do any work was ridiculous. It carries the message that work makes people better and that fat people are lazy consumers.

My experience is the exact opposite. Overeaters often over eat due to stress, like stress from money pressure and stress from soul-sucking jobs. People that sit around most often sit around because all their mental energy is sapped by those same problems, or because they have medical ailments.

If I never needed to work again, sure I would spend 40+ hours a week doing nothing productive. But I'd also walk, play basketball or soccer, go hiking, maybe lift weights.

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betterletter wrote

true. I feel as though my personal consumption is a reaction to my stress. I would be much more individually productive if I wasn't employed, if that makes sense.

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edmund_the_destroyer wrote

Yes.

I was thinnest at college, and though a lot of people would chalk that up to youth, I don't think that's it. Less stress, no commute (just a walk), walking between buildings for classes, no work preparing meals, no work cleaning up after meals, easy access to fitness facilities, and fifteen hours of classes plus homework was still less time than a 40 hour work week. I think if you gave me all of that now, 20 years later, I'd still manage to be a hell of a lot more active and healthy.

I don't mean to say college was easy or stress free. It wasn't. But relative to the rest of adult life I would say it's easier.

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rot wrote

It's the writers at pixar's idea of a capitalist society based on endless consumerism and self-indulgent behavior. It eventually leads to a kind of techno-monarchist dystopia like logans run or THX 1138 but without the slaves, just robots.

When you think about it the robots are the lower class and there is one robotic monarch (the captain) the humans are.... just there?

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betterletter wrote

Transhumanist luxury capitalism

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rot wrote

Is it really capitalist if it breaks from a market based economy? I don't remember any currency or trade, people just took whatever they wanted from robot servants.

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betterletter wrote (edited )

it can be assumed that the people on the ship payed for their spot there, though.

edit: if the ship was made available to all without pay or obligation, than maybe it could be considered "communist". But I think its innaccurate to then portray everyone as fat and lazy and tied to televisions who is in that situation.

so maybe its a communist paradise, but maybe its also a techno-hell.

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ziq wrote

it can be assumed that the people on the ship payed for their spot there, though.

So like an all-inclusive resort but for life. I guess this is the future of guaranteed minimum income.

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rot wrote

so maybe its a communist paradise, but maybe its also a techno-hell.

this is the world the transhumanists wanted

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rot wrote

true, but generations later their offspring get everything with no labor or capital necessary

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boom wrote (edited )

It's both and neither. It's state capitalist.

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MSNBC wrote

It is Communist because everyone is equal on that ship. You don't see rich and poor people. you see everyone is the same on the ship.

I never heard of a capitalist system without rich and poor people.

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sudo wrote

I don't really think it's analogous to either.

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