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Let's Discuss: Corporations and Individual Choices

Submitted by happy in AskRaddle

What do yall think about people that say our global problems will stop when corporations start being held accountable and that it has nothing to do with an individual's personal choices?

Obviously on the surface level it sounds like a great thing. I can keep consuming and I'm not in the fault for contributing to any problems and it's the corporations that are the only things to blame.

What would this accountability process look like? How do you hold a corporation accountable for tricking us into purchasing the poisoning the planet, taking a part of the deaths of billions of earthlings, and the poverty of even more?

Obviously individual choices are negligible in the scope of the corporation, but isn't the individual the one supporting the corporation to keep going? Shouldn't helping individuals be accountable to choose better actions be a realistic way we can start to fight back? Capitalism devours everything and sells it back to us and when we interact with it all we do is make it stronger.

People get upset when you call them out for not being vegan (yes I understand not everyong can be vegan due to circumstance, you are not everyone) or for needing to have children (Side question: is this just a fault of English or is "having children" sound very consumerist?). They shrug their shoulders when you tell them to stop letting Google and Facebook harvest your information and to stop purchasing off of Amazon.

Is government an even bigger player in the hegemony of the corporation or are they both equally to blame? Are they not a symbiotic relationship that need each other to survive?

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bloodrose wrote

I agree that yes, mostly, it's all corporations fault. And yes, mostly, you can't unplug for society completely. And yes, absolutely, corporations should not be allowed to do what they do.

However, I don't hold stock with what often comes next with people saying they shouldn't need to do anything. I get kind of angry with my liberal friends who upon seeing signs of global warming pat themselves on the back for actually believing that humans caused it but who also have no praxis to go along with said beliefs. If you have a belief and you do nothing, do you actually have that belief?

Look, going as vegan as you are comfortable with/can won't take away global warming, but it'll help. Planting some trees if you have land or can guerrilla plant some trees won't end global warming, but it'll help. And harassing those corporations into changing won't end global warming, but it could help.

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boom wrote

If you have a belief and you do nothing, do you actually have that belief?

Good point. It's really more of a thought that a belief I suppose.

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happy wrote

If you have a belief and you do nothing, do you actually have that belief?

I like this a lot. Definitely going to quote this whenever I can and do what I can do live by it.

Also going vegan, planting trees, harassing corporations, going straightedge, and any other positive action/praxis is going to influence others simply through societal pressure, but pragmatism to help others make positive actions can do a lot too. Its much harder for people to start doing any of these things without meeting people that already do them.

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Freux wrote

I think it's a really complicated matter as society lock us up in consumerism. When it's about the meat industry, the more people becomes vegan that sector will either disappear or change in another form of exploitation. But in the end I blame those people to partake in the suffering of animals as much as I blame that industries.

When it's about technology, we have become so dependent of it that I had to buy a cellphone. Computers are great but we all know the exploitation that's happening to make components. The only individualist choice we can make is not upgrading our phone/computer until they stop working or can't accomplish a task one needs.

Corporations can't be hold accountable as they are need for capitalism and maintaining power. We're not going to see that in our lifetime.

People get upset to be called out as they are part of the majority, everyone is doing it so how can they be wrong? It's not surprising they believe that when the entire system is based on democracy.

Overall, it's not a simple symbiotic relationship between consumers and corporations.

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happy wrote (edited )

everyone is doing it so how can they be wrong? It's not surprising they believe that when the entire system is based on democracy.

I like this a lot.

There's definitely other evil industries besides the meat industry and the tech industry, every industry is going to be evil, they all take part in the violence.

I think I read it somewhere on Raddle today, if you believe in something and don't act on it is it really something you believe in? Edit: that was bloodrose in a few posts down.

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boom wrote

Corporations can't be hold accountable as they are need for capitalism and maintaining power. We're not going to see that in our lifetime.

No, but they can be shut down if we attack their profit margins.

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Freux wrote

By the global revolution that will never come?

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boom wrote

You don't need a global revolution to hurt a company's profits. Direct action.

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Freux wrote

Direct actions are a good step but you still need to have them on a global scale to hurt those companies. Except if there is a way I'm unaware that a small group in one town can somehow bankrupt an entire corporation.

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neverinNJ wrote

What would this accountability process look like? Things happen when stockholders, fed/state, and employees partners speak up. But it is not a one-time effort.

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boom wrote

I think consumerism spreads like a virus that kills our brain cells and pacifies us. It's not just the corporations that are the problem, it's the people that allow them to be a problem. Corporations only pollute and exploit because we don't rise up and stop them from polluting and exploiting.