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Post-scarcity proponents: Are resources inexhaustible in your view?

Submitted by anarchoreposter in AskRaddle

I simply do not find anything liberating about a mega-dustbowl and global famine event. I quite literally see the degradation of the world's oceans, soils, climate, fauna, and flora as violence against future generations of humans and nonhumans alike. Every time you disrupt an energy system by taking more than you give back, you are striking a blow against your children. There is no space for this violence in a liberated society.

Altruism, mutual aid, this is all very important. Preserving the human lives that already exist is important to any radical. But, what of the future? Should we mortgage the future and push countless species and non-civilized peoples to extinction so that we can jerk each other off with the planet's limited resources?

Notions of "natural order" aren't dogmatic here. If I have a thousand pounds of wheat and I must save one hundred in order to replant next year, and I eat all one thousand, I will not have any way to replant next year. I will go without. My lack of foresight will kill me. And yours will kill us.

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Pop wrote

I wonder if there are any post-scarcity people here

It's a shame that resource extraction, even when for renewables, seems to promote hierarchical modes or relating to each other, in-groups/out-groups, property etc

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ziq wrote (edited )

It's hard to imagine a limited commodity not creating hierarchies since they can't really be distributed evenly worldwide when they only exist in certain places and can usually only be extracted and refined and processed and manufactured with specialized skills, tools and processes.

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Bird wrote

In my view humans will never reach a point of post-scarcity until the ability to harvest nearby planets and astroids is realized and space travel is available to all people, not just the hyper elite and massive government projects. Only once everyone is free from the limits of the resources of one planet, and with that the masses being no longer beholden to the whims of the elite, will humans reach a stage where there is no longer any scarcity.

Squawk

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rot wrote

It's always a matter of a new technology to save us from any pitfall

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daniel wrote

Petroleum is inexhaustible. It might seem like a knee-jerk reaction to immediately disagree, but I am not trolling, read about https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abiogenic_petroleum_origin we would run out of oxygen burning it before we'd run out of oil.

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Pop wrote

monocropping biofuel at rates massive enough to maintain anything like the present situation sounds like a terrible idea

and did you forget about climate change that comes from burning things or?

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daniel wrote

I'll go with https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deuterium for $500 Alex.

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Pop wrote

Pls explain Alex.

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daniel wrote

It's another inexhaustible resource, for nuclear fusion. Though not one we can currently harness.

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ziq wrote

Then it's not really any more relevant than asteroid mining or other scifi.

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ConquestOfToast wrote

It's not really sci fi. Current designs for fusion reactors are promising, although not a reality right now. But that's different from it being a fiction.

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Pop wrote

So this has nothing to do with the biofuel thing I was asking about?

Do you know how good faith conversation works?