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Bandit wrote

More detail would be good - do you mean language or talking?

Alternatives to words would still be forms of communication.

If talking is the problem, then typing should be ok? If it's symbolic thought and communicating symbols, then I don't know. Maybe Zerzan has something interesting to say.

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Defasher OP wrote

Being more detailed would limit the conversation. That's another problem with words; they're too limiting. They force you to narrow everything down to specific pre-determined scenarios that people can readily envision instead of abstract ideas that might exist outside our sphere of understanding. How can we see past our layers upon layers upon layers of bullshit civil conditioning if we can't allow ourselves to envision an existence that isn't predicated on the exchange of ideas and the growth of the human knowledge pool? What if words; the exchange of ideas; communication; society is all a death spiral towards mass destruction?

Alternatives to words would still be forms of communication.

Only if you think of alternatives that are designed to communicate.

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foggymorn wrote

But what would be the point of life if we couldn't communicate with each other? Everything we've evolved to be came from our innate need to express ourselves and share ideas with each other.

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Defasher OP wrote

But what would be the point of life if we couldn't communicate with each other?

The point of life is to communicate with each other..? If that's the case then we've failed big time.

But do we actually communicate with words? It feels like we miscommunicate. We so desperately try to express ourselves, to understand each other, and we completely fail at it. We lie to ourselves and to each other constantly in order to be able to live with the constant gnawing isolation we feel every second of every day all in the name of making a connection with another human and for what?

...So we can stroke each other's egos pretending we're connected and on a shared journey; a union of 2 distinct beings that understand each other? We don't. We don't understand each other. The only thing we're sharing is our desperation to not be alone. We're not connected. We're not united. Our needs only match when we compromise to avoid further isolation.

Everything we've evolved to be came from our innate need to express ourselves

Why do we need to express ourselves in a way that other people will understand? Why does me expressing myself have to be designed towards the benefit of others? Why must my thoughts need to be constantly re-interpreted into words in order to express them to other people in a way that they can understand them?

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