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RosaReborn wrote

Which is more important to you, libertarianism or socialism?

I don't think the two are really separable. How can you empower and free a community without empowering the individual? How can an individual be free without equality and support in the community?

if you had to choose between "libertarian unity" with capitalists or "left unity" with tankies, which would it be?

I wouldn't choose either but since I have to I think I would actually go authoritarian left because many people in that group want the same goals and have similar analysis of the world but just haven't delved deep enough into the core of their own philosophy to appreciate that contradiction of a state power structure ever working to dissolve itself. I used to believe that a state could enable communism, now I feel firmly that that is a contradiction but the change in my views just required a deeper look at what I really wanted, a true revolution that abolishes the pyramid of power and not just rearrange the seats, even if those in the AL can't see that.

'libertarian' right is just too insufferable to me but I'm sure many allies have come from that group just like some allies used to be tankies.

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Pop wrote

There's no such thing as a libertarian capitalist

they're fooling theirselves with their minarchism

I pick anti-authority over any of this shit, because it subsumes them all

starting with goddamn civilisation, through states, through capitalism

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fairilu wrote

Socialism is liberty. We aren't truly free unless we're free from those who would control the things we need to live full and meaningful lives; that's the promise socialism makes.

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rot wrote

  1. capitalists aren't libertarian- they might call themselves that, but the nazis called themselves "socialists" and the DPRK is "democratic"

  2. The 2 go together, in Anarchism it's both or neither.

  3. Neither would ever work with me so it doesn't really matter

gonna go with u/Freux on this one

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ziq wrote

Tankies are more dangerous so I'm going with lolbertarians. Authoritarians can't be reasoned with. Lolbertarians I can handle.

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TheLegendaryBirdMonster wrote (edited )

I believe most "legit" lolbetarians would be mutualist if they had any anchor in reality.

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ziq wrote

it's not hard to talk them into it. but talking a tankie into not being an authoritarian is usually a waste of time because they'd make a shitty anarchist anyway; always making power plays and trying to take control of projects.

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rot wrote

are you sure? some libertarians are proto-fash who can't wait to throw us out of helicopters

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ziq wrote (edited )

Fash call themselves all kinds of things to hide in plain sight. I'm talking about actual minarchists.

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rot wrote

Yeah but they love capitalism and see any level of socialism as evil and will side with the state to get rid of us.

I looked into minarchy/ libertarianism before Anarchy. They're all ancaps and teapartiers who dream of a gated mansion with guards to keep out the poor and undesirables.

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ziq wrote (edited )

the choice is between two sets of snakes so we're literally being asked to make a strategic decision for survival and I think my chances of making it out alive are stronger with minarchists than tankies.

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rot wrote

I think it would be about the same. They have the same tenancy to support certain power structures and party politics; just different kinds.

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Xesau wrote

It's absolutely possible to have libertarian socialism when there's also libertarian non-socialists around, but it's absolutely impossible to have liberatarian socialist when there's also tankie socialists around.

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martasultan wrote

Simple; the capitalists can be killed off in the end more easily than the tankies can, so long as they're libertarians and not fash in a mask.

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selver wrote

Most of them are indistinguishable & support essentially the same system.

I think I'd go with libertarians. They actually have principles you could push them on to maybe get some decent changes. Ending the military for example. Tankies are authoritarian through & through, they don't give a shit about our opinions or principles.

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arduinna wrote

I'd sooner work with propertarians than tankies for sure. Tankies are more of a threat in the long-term.