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NeoliberalismKills wrote

I don't think Clinton would've opened child concentration camps (though I could be wrong). I think leftists tend to underappreciate that the micro differences are real people's lives and real suffering (because they understand that for the rest of the world it doesn't matter). Would Clinton have made a difference for anywhere else besides those on American soil? Not a one.

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AgitatedStatesOfAmazement wrote (edited )

IIRC those camps have been around since at least Bush and were kept going under Obama

To add:

I do agree though as someone who hopes not to be murdered by a nazi in the next couple years that the left's "voting can never abolish the state and therefore is 100% pointless" mindset annoys the shit out of me. It's not like once voter turnout gets low enough, the state goes "welp, looks like y'all are pretty dissatisfied with this whole ordeal, I guess we'll try socialism now?"

They're correct that imperialism will continue to thrive under a liberal regime just as it does under the current protofascist one, but liberals might at least throw the tens of millions of undocumented, muslim, trans, and otherwise at-risk people living in the US some basic legal protections instead of burning them at the stake to make a point. Allowing fascists to keep winning elections breeds prole infighting.

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