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amongstclouds wrote

First step is destroying the idea of the family and community as something outside of our shared experiences. The moment family and community become Family and Community we're back where we started.

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shiny wrote

yes! and how is an idea destroyed?

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amongstclouds wrote (edited )

It has to be shown to no longer be necessary. I don't think there is a blue-print for such a thing so it has to be pursued and understood individually.

Sorry if this is ambiguous. A lot of things are.

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shiny wrote

sometimes i feel like people are content with computer science and shoplifting frm walmart that they don't really care about burning it all down and maybe they will steal my truck like they pissed init:/ stop

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transhumancom wrote

what are you, a cop?

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shiny wrote

i know right ? i was thinking that too :)

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shiny wrote

just alone, desperate and resilient

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noordinaryspider wrote

I like the combination of the three adjectives. I'm only the first two.

I don't believe that the family is "dead", although I do have personal experience with "that" type of family.

Human beings are mammals. There are chemical reasons why sex (can) feel good and childbirth (can) feel good http://www.unassistedchildbirth.com/inspiration/the-truth-about-birth/ and why providing a safe and healthy environment for a beloved child can become more important than one's own survival.

But I do think that a lot of us have been discarded by our families of origin, perhaps not as dramatically and cruelly as my own and my eldest daughter's (Hi Gentlest Daughter!) disownments, but it seems common on at least a smaller scale:

http://www.bostonherald.com/2005/11/dysfunctional_family_bingo

and when you've got a bunch of animals with biological drives that are being frustrated it only makes sense that we find some other way of satisfying those needs.

So yea, sex people should be able to buy their dildos and vibrators and sex toys and family people should be able to.....like....adopt each other for a reason or a season or whatever.

In an ideal world, of course. I'm not saying that I didn't fuck up when I first met you, mustard, or that we don't still have a lot to talk about afk whenever we can make that happen.

You might be interested in doing more research about Stephen and Ina May:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ina_May_Gaskin https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stephen_Gaskin https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Farm_(Tennessee)

which seems to have done better over the long haul than the Ken Carey community:

https://invidio.us/playlist?list=PLBB8CF852161F3997

But yea, I'm still interested in at least a theoretical sense and have no intention whatsoever of leaving Raddle permanently or ctb in the near future. The computer science and shoplifting is just the means to the end of survival.

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rot wrote

What are you actually proposing?

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buzz wrote

yeah i dont really understand this either; "like finding someplace -some base- from which to actually speak-out and fight?" >> isnt this the goal of all action

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rot wrote

The text after the title through me off. Obviously I agree with the title, I think everyone here would. But on what terms? What are "nodes like families where there is a dynamic potential in diversity" ??