Submitted by Flopmauser in AskRaddle
Flopmauser OP wrote
Reply to comment by zzuum in Why purposefully alienate part of the community? by Flopmauser
I can understand that, maybe I'm just being too sensitive or something, I just felt really unsure of how to react to a post I saw this morning that said "men = fragility" or something like that and found it off-putting to be judged just by my gender (and again, I 100% appreciate the irony given patriarchal oppression of women, but I don't think the solution is to flip it around and just swap oppressors).
GaldraChevaliere wrote
Nobody wants to swap oppressors except for TERFs. But when absolute power is broken and others begin to rise to your level, it can feel like being oppressed yourself. Nobody here is interested in replicating patriarchy with women at the head, we're interested in nuking the whole thing to begin with and half of us wouldn't be satisfied without taking coercive gender out altogether in the process. When a trans woman tells you to shut the fuck up about the realities of her transition, or a cis woman tells you to step off and let her get her abortion she has every Frigg-given right to, you're not being oppressed. You're being told that your outsider perspective is wrong and that you shouldn't talk over people living through those situations that you can't experience for yourself.
Flopmauser OP wrote
I completely agree with your points, but where I disagree is where I'm saying derogatory things about a person based on general shouldn't be something that we aim for, and it certainly isn't 'power bring broken and others rising to your level'.
It's doing the same thing that you are fighting against, to someone else. I just don't understand why that would be supported.
GaldraChevaliere wrote
That's the logic trap that liberals tend to fall into, and why they hiss and boo any sort of meaningful physical resistance. Punching up is not a form of violence, because it doesn't uphold or reinforce systemic oppression the way punching down does. A black person saying "fuck whitey" is not rebuilding those systems with her at the top, she's openly expressing dissent, and that is not something that should be frowned upon. Likewise, if I say "die cis scum" or something, this isn't an act of violence against cishets with the intent to exploit their labor and resources for my benefit, but an act of rebellion against an overclass that seeks to dehumanize me and push me to the fringes of society. A hard thing to get over is what I said earlier, recognizing that these outbursts are not personally directed at you, but at the system that enslaves and kills us that you do benefit from.
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Flopmauser OP wrote (edited )
Well, matriarchy wasn't on my mind specifically. More like, saying derogatory things about anyone based on race/gender/orientation is bad, and shouldn't be done either way. Patriarchy oppressing women is a wrong that needs to be righted, but the correction of that wrong isn't to then turn around and demean men. Two wrongs don't make a right and all that.
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Flopmauser OP wrote
It wasn't that specific comment, but another one saying the exact same thing. Saying men or women are inherently 'fragile' is stereotyped and demeaning to either group.
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Flopmauser OP wrote
So long as it was consensually obtained, your kinks aren't my business.
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wagoncigs wrote
me: i love anarchism
y'all: we hate white males they all deserve to die
me: suddenly i hate anarchism
jesus fucking christ y'all, mans not even being a dickhead and you're acting like he's some T_D dickhead brigading is. I completely agree with the whole more oppressed people get priority, but listen to the absurdity of what you're saying.
martasultan wrote
kill all whities
wagoncigs wrote
why do people think we hate white people
kill all whites
martasultan wrote
actually i said whities
Flopmauser OP wrote (edited )
I don't disagree with anger. I disagree with hate. There is a distinction. Posting a meme about 'gaslighting' to a comment saying no one should be oppressing anyone else is bloody weird, mate.
ziq wrote (edited )
https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/reverse-racism-isnt-a-thing_us_55d60a91e4b07addcb45da97
(apply the same concept to sexism)
Flopmauser OP wrote
Racism is racism, regardless of who it is directed at. I'm not sure what you're trying to promote or what point you're trying to make here.
No one should oppress anyone else. No Gods, no Kings. Racism is oppression and so is equally bad, regardless of who it is directed at.
Flopmauser OP wrote
No matter what links you post, racism is still bad, regardless of what race it is against. There's no argument that can be used to say racism is okay against a specific group. Oppressing anyone is an evil.
Faolinbean wrote
THERES NO SUCH THING AS REVERSE SEXISM YOU'RE COMPLAINING ABOUT SOMETHING THAT DOESN'T EXIST NOW GO READ SOME LINKS THAT WERE KINDLY PROVIDED FFS
ziq wrote (edited )
are you even reading these links, bruv?
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