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ziq wrote (edited )

No. Most of us are anarchists. We don't care about civil debate with the ruling class and its enablers. We want them to be wiped off the face of the planet.

That being said, no one is gonna ban you for being rightwing (unless you're breaking the ToS). We'll just tell you what we think of you.

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Zzzxxxyyy wrote

I identify as an anarchist, please do not speak for us all when you talk about wiping people off the planet.

Largely, I believe there’s a massive amount unlearning for the working class. Sometimes it takes time and agreeing to disagree, showing patience, deference and kindness can go a long way.

That said, I’m all for punching hardened fascists, but primarily to stop their violence, not for any moralistic justice.

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ziq wrote (edited )

If you're a pacifist, just pretend I mean their wealth, power and status should be wiped out, not their entire existence.

God forbid they lose their 'right' to life for blowing up school buses full of children, enslaving generations of minorities in private labor-prisons, turning entire countries into rubble for embracing socialism, engineering famines that kill millions, sterilizing indigenous women or stealing their children and torturing them to death, and decimating the entire planet's ecosystems to enrich themselves.

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GrimWillow wrote

I think u/Zzzxxxyyy felt that your description includes working class enablers of the wealthy elite to be wiped out. From how you worded it, I can understand their confusion. Many working class enablers of the wealthy elite include Anarchists, because we're all slaves and often have to do their enabling just to continue being alive. But, you know that, and I think this is all just discussing semantics now.

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ziq wrote

By their 'enablers', I mean direct enablers: politicians, cops, etc.

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Zzzxxxyyy wrote

Yeah, I guess I would want to get very specific here. I’m not exactly a pacifist, but I don’t support blanket violence either.

My tendency would be trial by jury with a bias for not murdering people, but stopping them from gaining power or leverage again.

And yes, I thought ‘enablers’ included working class people, which I think most working class people would also conclude.

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ziq wrote (edited )

I'm not a communist so nothing I say is meant to envision some theoretical future model society with neo courts and neo jailers. I'm just an anarchist.

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AgitatedStatesOfAmazement wrote

I'm pretty sure they meant they want the ruling class as a vague notion to be removed, not literally for every last one of them to be killed or anything.

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ehsbsh wrote

ever considered the possibility of destroying from within though? If people were willing to talk and stuff, one could possibly rank up through their ranks and bring parts or all of it tumbling down.

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Foreheader wrote

That's what reformist socialists have tried for ages and it hasn't worked. Once someone is privileged enough they try to preserve it, even if they were a revolutionary before. CEOs and other rich people know that people suffer because of them but to quiet down their concience they usually donate some of their money instead of trying to abolish their privilege. To be fair this doesn't apply to everyone (Kropotkin and Engels for example), but to the vast majority.

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ziq wrote (edited )

Uh, no. I'm not buying a yacht and going undercover in a country club as a bourgie to say "you guys, maybe we should stop being wealthy and privileged and instead be equal with the peasants who polish our shoes?"