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ziq wrote

I think waging perpetual war against the system is the only way to render it useless. If everyone took everything they needed from the rich and the state's enforcers were met with an armed defense whenever they tried to assert the state's authority, the state would cease to have value and the rich would cease to have power. Propaganda of the deed is an integral componemt of insurrectionist strategy.

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ziq wrote

Chaos is the only reasonable response to the state's brutal order.

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RedEmmaSpeaks wrote

Really when it comes to Propaganda of the Deed, the thing to remember is how easily it can go wrong and well, one deed isn't going to be enough. The State has a damn near limitless amount of resources, so they can and will go after you; expecting anything less than this is a damn foolish thing. You're in for a long fight. This isn't like Star Wars where you just hit this one target and the State goes down like the Death Star.

Though an example of Propaganda of the Deed that actually worked, is the brave anonymous soul who punched the living daylights out of Richard Spencer. Spencer has said that actions like that have led him to cancel many speeches and meetings, because it's no longer fun for him anymore. In addition, the punch served as a reminder to people on the Left and generally marginalized groups that deep down, the dragon is a coward who talks big, but flees at the first sign of trouble. The punch is proof that the dragon can be defeated by revealing its many weak points to the world.

The infamous punch was memed to hell and back thanks to nerds on the Internet, so chances are, everyone has seen it and has their favorite version of it. Me, I like any and all versions, but my personal fave is the one sit to DMX's "X Gon' Give it To Ya" so that's what I'll link to. Because having a video of Richard Spencer getting that shit-eating grin punched right off his stupid face, improves every thread, regardless of content.

https://youtu.be/fErUIxAK2HA

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Tequila_Wolf wrote

I like the case of Richard Spencer, and I think it's quite possible that if various antifa groups shut down people like Spencer and Yiannopolous with bullets rather than fists in a targeted and clear way that fashy people would be driven even further into political insignificance.

When it comes to leaders of countries and people with significant political clout within ' respectable' liberal politics, like Trump or Obama, murdering them would likely greenlight Friedman style shock capitalist crackdowns of dissent that may do more harm to preferable anarchist futures than not. (This is before we remember that replacing Trump would just mean that Pence is in charge). So I don't know what would be best there, but I suspect that the right conditions for propaganda of the deed would be rare. Which is why we don't see more of it.

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RedEmmaSpeaks wrote

While I won't completely dismiss the use of bullets, I honestly think that actions like The Punch might work better in the case of guys like Richard Spencer and Milo Yiannopolous. Both are so obsessed with a facade of hypermasculinity and strength that sometimes, actions like The Punch are enough. It revealed the weakness lurking behind all Richard Spencer's bravado and turned him into a goddanged joke, which is one of the worst things for a Fash. Few things do they despise more than being laughed at. Don't underestimate the effects taking the piss out of them can have.

I don't know if anybody on this board is as obsessed with animated movies and superhero films as I am, but what I liked about Rise of the Guardians (which might be Dreamworks's best movie) is that the key to defeating the villain, Pitch, the source of all darkness and misery in the world, turned out to be turning him into a joke, doing stuff like hitting him with snowballs while he's in the middle of his "You cannot defeat me!" villain monologue.

Fashs pretty much have to constantly maintain their facade of strength, because well, there's nothing to back up all their big talk. They know that if they show any vulnerability at any time, if someone sees it and uses the opportunity given to him/her, they will be challenged in some way or another. As soon as they're challenged, they start immediately demonstrating that the dragon is a coward and the dragon can be defeated.

It's sort of like what one of the kids in Rise of the Guardians said towards the end, when he's facing down Pitch: I believe in you. I'm just not afraid of you.

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Freux wrote

As long as it's targeted, I'm not a fan of risking bystanders' life. As everything else it's a tool and we need more than one.

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Pop wrote

I wonder if anybody has done any kind of study into the effects of various propaganda of the deed acts

and tried to quantify somehow whether they made us stronger or not

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sudo wrote

Here are my thoughts on propaganda of the deed.

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martasultan wrote

This is mainly about liberals and such, who are already entrenched in their statist ideals- I feel like appeals to them are useless and usually are only at best able to get them to support minor increases in rights instead of complete anarchy, which is near impossible to convince someone of- usually you can only nudge them and hope they grasp it.

I feel the only anarchist action that works is action to better ourselves or directly attack that which we oppose, as for the mostpart its impossible to actually educate people outside of direct action (whether its by demonstrating via a coop farm or getting a nice riot going)

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Splinglebot wrote

Were you not a liberal once? I don't think appeals to them are completely hopeless. We may only be able to nudge them a little at a time, but I think propaganda of the deed runs the risk of nudging them in the wrong direction - and getting them to support action against the movement.

I think there is a time and a place for it but we should be careful about how it's applied

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ziq wrote (edited )

Anarchy isn't some centralized organization that they can crack down on in any real way. They can't start killing everyone who privately opposes their authority.

And if they did, it would damage them a lot more than it would damage anarchy.

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Just_An_Author wrote

For a bit I misread that as 'Propaganda by the dead'. My thoughts on that were "Sure, I'm down for some necromancy".

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RedEmmaSpeaks wrote

Stop. If I've learned anything from all the movies, TV shows, comic books, etc. I've consumed, it's that raising the dead never ends well for anyone, except maybe Jesus.