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Linux users: What's stopping you from switching to Hurd?

Submitted by noordinaryspider in AskRaddle

It's not ready for me yet. I just don't have the technical knowledge. I've tried virtualizing the Debian image that uses the Hurd kernel but it didn't even boot.

Usually I use the deblobbed linux-libre kernel instead of just linux, but I'm kind of bored with computers right now so I'm just using the vanilla Debian kernel right now.

I haven't gotten as far as the kernel in my Free-Dora install, which is darned near as annoying as vrmsing AntiX.

It annoys me that most Windows users don't even KNOW the name of the kernel they use and I'm supposed to be polite about the fact that they refer to my entire operating system as well as a philosophy that is every bit as important to me and my people as somebody else's religion might be to them by the name of a Kernel I don't even use.

It's like....do you really think I'd go around mocking Catholicism like they mock Gnu? Insulting Jesus if he developed a pot belly for medical reasons or if I didn't like his choice of hairstyle?

How do normal people handle anti-GNU shit online? Just stay away from Windows/Mac users? Not care about them? Turn off the friendship receptors in your brain or something?

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Bells_On_Sunday wrote

Just to reply to title of the post, I'm happy with the Linux kernel, basically. There isn't a problem with its licensing or anything, so I don't have any motivation to experiment with HURD (though I absolutely understand people who would do that for the fun of tinkering, as a sometime Plan9 user). Microkernels were a research topic in the 90s but at this stage the design space has been explored and they have been shown to be much more complex and difficult to pull off than people realised at first, mainly because of all the inter-process communication required. Torvalds was very outspoken on this, insisting that code that needs to be very fast needs to run in the same address space, and he was right as it turned out. The other side of the argument is about security, but Linux shows that monolithic kernels can be made secure if the engineering is good enough. The fact that Torvalds just got on with it in the tried and trusted monolithic style is a classic case of Worse is Better.

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satchmoz wrote

What's stopping you from switching to Hurd?

I literally can't find out if sound support was finished, or what soundcards/audio chipsets it supports. Ive been asking around in various GNU online haunts since I saw audio support in some slides from a fosdem two or more years ago. I kind of want to play with it still. I've been daydreaming about seeing if I can get it working on a ASUS KGPE-D16 w/ Libreboot and then host a tilde.town kind of thing on it. Not sure if I want to clutter my living space with a second home server this second though.

It's like....do you really think I'd go around mocking Catholicism like they mock Gnu? Insulting Jesus if he developed a pot belly for medical reasons or if I didn't like his choice of hairstyle?

I get the general thrust of what your doing, but comparing Free Software to religion makes it sound like zealotry, when really what it is, is a user/human rights movement.

How do normal people handle anti-GNU shit online? Just stay away from Windows/Mac users? Not care about them? Turn off the friendship receptors in your brain or something?

Windows/Mac users I know tend to think of me as the wierd guy who runs neither Windows or Mac OS. When they ask for software recommendations I remind them I don't run their proprietary OSes.

I occasionally offer to help them install or obtain a more free OS on occasion if the need arises in conversation.

Occasionally my eyes do glaze over if discussions start up around and Anniversary updates or iWatch things I don't have. When those things come up I wait politely for conversations to touch on something I can add to. Generally I try and lead by example and not by preaching unless it is directly brought up.

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zzuum wrote

Complete technical ignorance on the matter