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amongstclouds wrote

I don't think we should be making an active move to grow our platform -- what need is there besides inviting more trolls and bigots to this place? I think what needs to be done is some sort of community project, a podcast, a journal, or something that can bring attention to Raddle, but without just talking, talking, talking.

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Tequila_Wolf wrote

This idea, which I'll awkwardly paraphrase to "lets make some substantial OC", together with having the people who are already here participate more in terms of posting their interests and commenting with responses, are my two preferred routes at the moment.

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Magma5 wrote

Wasn't there that Konsent program that we were working on that would allow us to have direct/consensus democracy on the internet that Raddle was supposed to be working on? What happened to that?

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ergdj5 wrote

The developer of it quit. Though, I think Loom.io was also proposed by someone here.

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amongstclouds wrote

I am incredibly interested in producing a journal as of late. My creativity is flowing and have been brainstorming a lot.

If we merely just spread the knowledge of Raddle around we will attract more trolls than people who could be inter-beneficial in such a community. To show that something beyond just another link-sharing community (which is why I do love Raddle, it's a great source of information that interests me) is possible, we could begin actively creating something, anything, to express the reality we wish to see, we will find many more who can help grow this place into something.

And as cliche as it has been made to sound in many ways consciousness truly creates out reality, in at least it's ability to manipulate latent 'energies' just waiting to play against each other.

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Tequila_Wolf wrote

I'm interested to hear more about this journal idea, as well as the ways you find yourself being creative at the moment.

I'd be willing to explore a creative project with other raddle users. I'm not sure what would be best for us - we did struggle to maintain a reading group and that has generally been a good measure of the capacity of any group for me.

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amongstclouds wrote

A reading group is still a very passive thing to work on as it leaves very little room for individuals to be unique. We are just talking about what other people have said after all. I'm pretty sure there are plenty of folks here who want their words and ideas heard compared to talking about many other authors who died long ago.

As for my creativity I moved away from my hometown and toxic environment and things are better than they've been in a long time. I've had less time spent dissociating and am reading and writing again and also working on getting more artwork to the forefront of my life.

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amongstclouds wrote

However, with reading groups in mind, I have thought about making subs devoted to certain texts where you could find links to copies and even critiques of said texts with plenty of open room for people to seek discussion if they so choose.

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rtsn wrote

Does it really need to grow?

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ziq wrote

If we want to affect change.

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PerfectSociety wrote

Did you guys already post about it on r/Anarchism on reddit? That would be the easiest way I would think. There's close to 100k subscribers on r/Anarchism. If a decent proportion of them joined up on Raddle, that would make a huge impact. It also gives us enough people to accomplish things with.

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ziq wrote

That's probably the only place raddle gets promoted any more. I link to raddle threads there every now and then.

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ergdj5 wrote

Used to be in the sidebar of /r/anarchism. Got removed by the mods that replaced the old ones. Reddit admins took out the old ones for being anarchists and put in some brocialists.

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Amp180 wrote

Was this before or after they went intersectional and added the background image?

They've gone through a bunch of culture changes (good and bad) since I subbed 6 years ago and I haven't always kept up to date.

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ziq wrote (edited )

The admins didn't add any new mods after they banned emma, hamjam and necrodisiac, that's not true. r/metanarchism voted to replace the link to raddle with the link to the meme sub to keep memes off r/@. Which is ridiculously shortsighted imo. Some of the mods did vocally push for the change so there is a grain of truth to it.

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RandomNoob wrote

More forums, more posts.... Maybe a live chat? I don't know, things take time to grow.

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94z7z94z7z94z7z94z7z wrote

A live chat sounds like a lot of work and a lot of fun for spammers/voat trolls.

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mofongo wrote

It's actually pretty chill, I can count with one hand the amount of trolls we have had in the past year.

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nov wrote

Is raddle meant to be a platform to affect change towards some variant of anarchy or is meant to be a space for people with interest in leftist ideas to interact?

I would like to see the latter but a lot of the time I stay away because places feel like the former.

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ziq wrote (edited )

It'a a place for politically astute people to congregate and socialize and educate. They don't have to be anarchists. But the 'educate' part is how we affect change.

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nov wrote (edited )

So if the goal is to educate then it makes sense for folks like me to come here and read the articles and scan the comments but not really participate (which for the record is a-okay and I enjoy scanning the articles)

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ziq wrote

Raddle has no singular goal, we're all very different with different needs and goals in life.

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bloodrose wrote

Its current size fits my needs and interest in an online space. I'd like to see it grow a little more, but I'm more interested in a few more ardent posters and contributors rather than a huge influx of people. I try to average at least one post per day. More if I have more time (but I've been offline a lot the last few weeks). How big are you hoping to make raddle? I like the community feel. I like that I recognize a few regular people and though it is anonymous it doesn't feel totally anonymous. Are you hoping for reddit big?

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ziq wrote

Big enough that I won't have to start half of the conversations myself like now. Not even close to reddit big tho.

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bloodrose wrote

Got it. I'll try to contribute more and try to find a few more good people to get over here.

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ravengrace wrote

Reach out to anarchist media platforms maybe

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ziq wrote (edited )

I've done that and they always ignore me. Except for a while when we got a link in r/anarchism's sidebar but then they voted to replace it with r/completeanarchy. IGD, unicornriot, contrapoints, and some others all didn't respond to my request for a plug.

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ravengrace wrote

Maybe some podcasts like the exworker (crimethinc) ? They promote other anarchist podcasts and stuff like that so maybe they would promote this website too?

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Freux wrote

I think the only way for raddle to grow is for people to participate, there is a lot of forums that don't have any new posts since months ago. So if a person is interested in something and see no one is there, it's either they go elsewhere or they make it alive.

Raddle is victim of it's own appeal, most people are fence sitters that would be offended being here. We have trolls but they don't add anything.

Tumblr seems to have some alright people so maybe sharing about raddle there?

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ziq wrote

Tumblr isn't a venue I've ever promoted raddle on so that would be great.

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MichaelPemulis wrote

some shitty unorganized thoughts before i run off to work; excuse the sloppiness and try not to be an asshole if you're gonna reply to me

What does Raddle offer that other platforms do not? I like a lot of the way this site is run and am sick of supporting corporations that tolerate hate speech and endlessly try to monetize content/data, but unfortunately I don't think that being in opposition to something is much of an appeal to people. As well, original content can only take a community so far - there are plenty of incredible blogs, websites, etc that have fantastic writing but little audience.

Perhaps we should encourage local anarchist groups to use this platform to communicate with one another? Or LGBTQIA groups? Maybe that would fracture things too much if that push was successful, but then how does the site deal with the incessant trolling that would inevitably arise?

alternately we could (semi)regularly name-drop this site on certain subreddits. i know plenty of these communities have some incredibly toxic elements but... just some ideas:

  • /r/chapotraphouse
  • /r/anarchism
  • /r/COMPLETEANARCHY
  • /r/traaaaaaannnnnnnnnns
  • /r/latestagecapitalism
  • /r/breadtube
  • /r/collapse

That might open the floodgates for trolling though

If any of us here is popular on social media we could shout out Raddle on like Twitter or some shit but I haven't played the "get e-cred" game in a long time. I yield no social influence.

Maybe we should be having more active discussions like this on a daily basis and encouraging every one here to come together on riot.im? What is the ratio between discussion posts and links to other websites?

I do know that the whole alt-accounts incident from several months back really soured things in the eyes of the dozen or so people I know who I've mentioned the site to.

Perhaps applying a more traditional-corporate "project management" lens to this shit would be beneficial.

I don't know just some random thoughts and fuck now im incrediblty late for work again

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plast wrote

If you want to "affect change" you have to encourage people to organize and do something other than read together. If you want to make the site more entertaining you'll have to be patient and let the site grow organically. If you want to speed this growth, you'll have to shill the site on other lefitst platforms. Places like /leftypol/ on 8chan, /leftpol/, libcom.org, reddit etc etc all have people looking for foss forums. One of your problems however is the fact that, other than being foss, raddle.me brings nothing new to the table. Shit like peertube is federated and decentralized and so is mastadon. But raddle.me is highly centralized and subject to the whims of one person. People here also enforce a very narrow view of opinion, causing conversation to be boring. So to sum it up here's what I'd suggest

1). Shill this site on other sites

2). Try to a create a culture here that encourages different species of leftists rather than tries to make them conform

3). Look into make the site more like mastadon(basically by making it easier to host your own instance and connecting them, maybe by having some universal front page common between all instances)

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mofongo wrote (edited )

Also, culture is not created, it is organically grows by the interaction of the community. We have one, just without inside jokes.