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How much would you be willing to give up to abolish the system?

Submitted by Brick in AskRaddle (edited )

Hollywood (capitalism), big budget games (capitalism), chain restaurants (capitalism), processed food (capitalism), paved roads (unsustainable mining, environmental destruction), concrete and steel structures (unsustainable mining, imperialism), air travel (imperialism), electric and fossil fuel cars (imperialism), cellphones (imperialism), laptops (imperialism), pet food (capitalism, destroying the oceans), meat (environmental destruction), soybeans/palmoil/corn (environmental destruction), etc.

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mofongo wrote

Everything.

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RedEmmaSpeaks wrote

I hope that when the chips are down, I will be willing to give up everything, too. However much I may like the Internet and eBooks, it's not worth sacrificing the planet for them. I probably will struggle at first, but I'll learn to deal with it.

In any case, think less of what you will lose and more of what you will game: a system that benefits everyone, regardless of wealth, actual meaningful labor, and a tribal-band form of living, which is the kind humanity was built for in the first place. However neat apps may be, wouldn't it be neater to feel really and truly connected to the world and a wider community at large. Writing posts on the Internet is nice, but that's not the same as having real people who will take care of you when you are in need, because they know you will do the same for them, people willing to help you take care of your kids, because you would do the same for them. And the simple joy of being able to see the fruits of your labor and know how much it matters, know that they couldn't have gotten it done without you.

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MichaelPemulis wrote (edited )

I'd be willing to give up my life.

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Tequila_Wolf wrote

I am aware that I do have limits. Those things listed are pretty easy and I'm fine with losing them, though.

Undergoing relentless, uncompromising and honest critique of myself is incredibly hard. In a sense, I've been unable to give up taking breaks from that - I've struggled to give up on some things about myself that comfort me. And it's been costly.

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GaldraChevaliere wrote

I feel like we could still get paved roads if we went back to masonry or did what they're doing in India and melt down waste plastic to fill potholes, and computers and the internet could remain if we got farther with meshnet systems or took control of the ISP infrastructure. Beyond that, yeah. Wipe it all the fuck out. Air travel's pretty brutal on the environment too. We should've stuck with ships.

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mofongo wrote (edited )

Ships motor noise cause lots of stress to marine animals that depend on echolocation. Sails is where is at.

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bloodrose wrote

I'm happy to go full primitive. I wouldn't give up my daughter because I am biologically programmed to be selfish in that regard. But all the stuff? Fuck stuff.

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supernice wrote

If all that was required to abolish the system would be these material things, then I'm more than willing to go entirely primitive to do it too.

I'd miss some things for a bit, but I'd get over it.

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noordinaryspider wrote

Same here, it just gets more complicated because my daughter is 30 1/2 and she has all these little brothers and sisters with all these problems and some of them would die without their stuff.

Stuff as in insulin pumps and bee sting kits and an OB GYN for the daughter with the bleeding disorder unless granny midwives can do tubal ligations on women with bleeding disorders since that's what she really wants, not stuff as in heat/electricity/plumbing.

Well, the pseudo-grandbabies would get taken away from Gentlest Daughter's stepsister if they didn't have heat and electricity a plumbing and lawyers, guns, and money.....

So yea. Just a dumb breeder here. Anyone wanna buy a used life?

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Zzzxxxyyy wrote

Weird having arbitrary labels after everything.

Are we replacing “the system” with our ideal? Then yeah, nothing you listed is really that great as long as my needs are met by the new system and the new system gives me more freedom.

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ziq wrote

I don't think imperialism, environmental destruction and capitalism are arbitrary labels.

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ziq wrote

None of those things are important. There's no time left for luxuries, the world is dying.

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itaniepitas wrote

A closely related question might be:

Who would you be willing to work with to abolish the system?

If you are White, would you fight alongside someone who is Black? If you are Christian or Jew, would you make a stand with a Muslim? If you are Straight, would you lock arms and advance with Gay comrades? If you are Fascist, could you ally with Antifa long enough to reach a shared objective?

The alternative is gridlock - similar to that perpetuated by the see-saw statist struggle between Left/Liberal/Democrat and Right/Conservative/Republican.

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rot wrote

If you are Fascist, could you ally with Antifa long enough to reach a shared objective?

what shard objectives? antifa's only objective is no more fascists lmao

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user123456 wrote

as an organization sure, but I can garentee you their are members of antifia who have more pressing matters than just getting rid of facism.

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ziq wrote

antifa isn't an organization

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user123456 wrote

thats my point. Antifa as a whole would never allie with "facists" but at the same time a sizeable portion of their members would probably be willing to walk away and allie with facists if nessary if they have a more pressing matter to attend to.

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ziq wrote

wtf r u on about

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user123456 wrote

Well if their was a serious effort to abolish the system that for some reason needed an alliance between far left and far right groups, there is a good chance a lot of members of each group that opposes each other would weigh the risks and benifits and possibly decide to ditch their diffrences (for now) to accomplish one goal. So sure antifia would still "exist" in this hypthetical situation, but lots of people who would normally march with them would be preoccupied with the more pressing matter of overthrowing the main power.

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ziq wrote

I'm an anarchist, most people here are. We don't give a shit about left or right. The left/right dichotomy is the system. Close the revolving door.

No anti-fascist is going to align with a fascist; the moment they did that they'd stop being an anti-fascist.

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transgendall wrote

"if you're antifa, would you be willing to set aside your differences with fascists to overthrow the system?"

wat
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fascists ARE the system. they are the iron fist that favors the system. the first thing Hitler did was camp the communists because they were the main threat to him.

I wouldn't pair with fascists because fascists' primary objective is reactionary in nature. they want to prevent revolution, and are willing to do genocide. they have absolutely zero advantage, absolutely zero shared objective, absolutely zero admirable traits aside from stubbornness to fucking die already.

they are anti-communist because they are authoritarian capitalist and all genocidal about it.

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ziq wrote

Wtf wtf

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itaniepitas wrote

Exactly

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ziq wrote

Exactly what?

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itaniepitas wrote

If I don't answer your question, or if I provide an answer you don't like, then you will ban me. Seems like I lose either way.

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ziq wrote (edited )

I'm not a mod here so have no ability to ban you. I just don't understand the point you're trying to make.

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itaniepitas wrote

If you're not a mod here you are certainly protected by one. I've been in this forum less than a day and it's obvious to me that you're the #1 poster and #1 troll.

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ziq wrote

Lol cry some more snowflake.

this forum doesn't even have any mods.

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itaniepitas wrote

"A rose by any other name...", asshole.

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ziq wrote

What kind of coward refuses to speak their mind because they're scared of me lol

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itaniepitas wrote

Scared of YOU?!? ROFLMAO

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ziq wrote

itaniepitas wrote 20 minutes ago

If I don't answer your question, or if I provide an answer you don't like, then you will ban me.

That's some straight up cowardice right there. Even if I had the ability to ban you from askraddle, which I don't, why tf would you care? It's just bytes on a screen.

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itaniepitas wrote

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ziq wrote

I founded this site but have no power to ban you.