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bloodrose wrote

Trying to forcefully ban it all means you exclude sincere people who make an effort to communicate with you.

There really are non-biggoted ways to have a sincere conversation.


closed wrote

When you're talking to someone you have judged to be bigot, there probably isn't a "non-biggoted" way to converse.


bloodrose wrote

That was a weirdly vague thing to say. I mean, one won't be judged as a bigot if they don't act like a bigot, right? So what are you trying to say?


closed wrote

The Oxford definition of bigot is:

A person who is intolerant towards those holding different opinions.

Does that help?


ziq wrote

So literally "disagreeing with a bigot makes you the real bigot" huh?


bloodrose wrote

No, it doesn't. You appear to be arguing in bad faith. You and I both know what people on raddle mean by bigot: people who are racist against non-whites, people who are transphobic, people who are homophobic. Pulling out a dictionary definition in an argument is literally attempting to derail the question being asked and put the person you are in the conversation with into either defensive mode or to make them agree with you in principle so you can then piggy-back off of that into a nonsensical argument.


MichaelPemulis wrote

The way you've pulled out a dictionary definition to respond to someone posing a question/challenging you on your beliefs... it really doesn't make you look good:

A) It's condescending in at least two ways. There's an implication that the person you're replying to doesn't know the definition of the word they're talking about. You're slyly trying to imply they're stupid or ill-equipped to be responding to you. In addition, the definition of a word is something that can be Googled in 5 seconds so there's also an implication that the person you're replying to is lazy or incapable of having done a minute amount of research on the topic they're discussing/the words they're using.

B) You haven't replied in a way that fosters constructive dialogue. You linked a definition from the Oxford English Dictionary and asked "does that help?" which comes off as a smarmy appeal to authority. You instead could've said something like "The Oxford English Dictionary defines bigot as [definition]. You replied to my message saying [quote] which I disagree with because..."

If you're not interested in putting the time in to encourage healthy, non-hostile interactions with people, you're not contributing anything productive to the conversation. You could've chosen to not reply instead. Thus the question becomes, what are you trying to do here? Foment conflict?

I'm not trying to back you into a corner, but I do think you should reflect on the way that you interact with people here.