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RedEmmaSpeaks wrote

Anyone who fanboys Stalin, is sketchy. There's no way around it. The guy was a monster. Even Lenin basically said, regarding Stalin, "Eff that guy! No matter what, don't let that guy come into power." When Lenin, who was no prize pig himself, says that, you should pay attention.

For the record, I am able to sympathize with Lenin a bit more in that he seemed to genuinely believe in the ideals of Communism. He claimed that this whole "strongman imposing on everyone" was a transitory state as the structures of the State were broken down, until the State became truly Communist with the common people running the show. I don't know if he truly intended that or if Soviet Russia would have ever transitioned into his depiction of the ideal communist state. I do know that the forces he was up against, a brutal Civil War, the fighting that comes when you're a rebel trying to overthrow someone, and Capitalist nations doing everything they can to sabotage your fledgling government, which makes me sympathize with Lenin a bit more. The toll all of that would have taken on a newfound country is profound.

Though I've often used the metaphor that Lenin is a rabid badger, but Stalin was a rabid Kodiak bear. Both are bad, but there's a difference in scale. Lenin may have actually agreed in the words he propagated, but Stalin, I honestly think that he was just a sick bastard, who probably would have been a nightmare of a person regardless of ideology. Put a germ in the right culture or the right conditions and it will spread and unfortunately, the Soviet Russia of the time made a perfect culture for Stalin to come into power.


Tequila_Wolf wrote (edited )

I know very little about Stalin; you don't come by very many Stalin-friendly people where I'm from. There are Mao-quoters here and there though. I wonder what historical and geographical differences make that a thing.


GaldraChevaliere wrote

Mao at least had some good quotations, I can't really think of anything Stalin said that could be taken on its own merits. Like, he wasn't wrong when he said political power grows from the barrel of a gun. What he ended up doing with that gun was murdering a shitton of people because education and homosexuality were 'bourgeois' to him, but that's why we take the gun and grow our own political power out of it before someone like him can take control again.


ziq wrote

This is the typical Stalinist defence of Stalin's homophobia. It really hits all the marks: "Historical context, homosexuality was tied to fascism, it was just the accepted medical science at the time, America was bigoted too, if Stalin had been born in the future, he would have waved the rainbow flag for sure!"


ziq wrote (edited )

"Stalin 2018 wouldn't send you all to the gulag for being gay because he'd be SO EVOLVED you guys! So we should totally keep praising comrade Stalin and his many great deeds! The Stalin that killed you for being gay has nothing to do with the Stalin of 2018. Because obviously there are no homophobes in Russia / Georgia nowadays!"

That page is also chock full of lies, like all tankie propaganda. Facts my arse.


0w0 wrote

"It was just the accepted medical science at the time", liberals and other reactionaries accepted that because in both 1923 and 1925, Dr. Grigorii Batkis, director of the Institute for Social Hygiene in Moscow stated that homosexuality was normal and should be legally and socially respected.


Cheeks wrote

Exactly! You got to love the blatant fallacies that ignore the scientific and academic landscape of the time, i.e. The Frankfurt school, in lieu of the culture of fear that tankie and fascist governments were creating then.


GrimWillow wrote

I don't think so. Liking someone like stalin could never be exclusive from sketchiness.


Pop wrote

If anybody has a solid one-stop "stalin was shit" zine or something I could read that would be good


Dumai wrote

you can't like stalin without excusing, ignoring, or denying the holodomor

"sketchy" would be putting it lightly


rot wrote

Did he have any ideas of his own that weren't shit?

No? Then no.