Submitted by ziq at July 13, 2018 at 7:54 PM in AskRaddle
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No , chaos is not good and has nothing to do with anarchism. Chaos is randomness and disorder . Sometimes I've craved chaos but it can also mean anything , so people can get hurt .. Anarchism is non-hierarchical ORGANIZING... organizing not chaos. We don't organize for chaos. We have a purpose which is to end oppression of all people not just random disorder. The state /enemy / whatever you want to call it loves when we 're in chaos.
The state actually loves it when they have MORE reason to enforce their 'order' over others. This does not imply chaos at all. The states mortal enemy is chaos. It likes thing's neatly placed within the subject-object dichotomy and only uses disorder as a temporary means of achieving 'order'.
So watch who you call an ancap. ;)
I agree with that first part. But when I say chaos I'm talking about disorganization and randomness. For a lot of people chaos means violence and abuse. Chaos is a part of life like sadness etc doesn't mean I'm looking for it. It could literally mean anything so I think its kind of pretentious to say you like chaos while some people do live in chaos and don't want to. But I think maybe we are defining chaos differently :)
Also I I think of being in an abusive relationship ... That feeling where you don't know what to expect. Thats what I equate to chaos. I understand how destruction is part of creation but the world is the destruction side , I'm the creation side . When I destroy, I also create. But I'm just not looking for things that destroy me.
I still think equating anarchy with chaos is ancappy
Nowadays I tend to draw my anarchist theoretical view from a mystical / spiritual perspective, i.e. i constantly borrow concepts from Taoism and poetry. Chaos is one of those concepts, can equates to Dao in my view.
amongstclouds did a good job explaining scientific concepts that I find useful when thinking about Chaos and what we can incorporate from there. Psychology, Jung, Reich and others transpersonal psychologists ( I'm a low-speed reader, and the book pile is always growing) can give wonderful insights.
I personally tend to be idealistic and dragged to romanticism for my own good, so sorry for my badtrip about Chaos hahaha.
Chaos is the tao is the name which cannot be named is the creative nothing is the reality I've come to know and agree with.
I also came to anarchism through my practice of zazen, occultism, and spiritual thinking in general.
It's actually kind of bizarre we both ended up here. Usually people who dabble in these things end up bring right-leaning market worshipers.
Or monarchists, aristocrats and weird fash. Sadly this kind of field, specifically occultism tend to orbitate rich bourgeois and authoritarian people.
I'm glad that you are here too! :)
Because you put too much faith in Webster!
Chaos is NOT synonymous with disorder.
Only people who think chaos is a part of anarchy are ancaps
Capitalism is the opposite of chaos. It's completely controlled by the wealthy as a rigid hierarchy that's designed to beat you into submission.
The oppisite of capitalism is non-hierarchical organizing. Theres tons of chaos under capitalism .
For example I set boundaries. Respecting those boundaries is anarchist. Disrespecting them , because randomness , is not anarchist .
lol, are you talking to yourself?
A lot of people do that, from /u/ravengrace to /u/ziq. No need to judge.
I'm not used to being part of reddit or raddle soo
Just trying to add to what I was saying lol :/
Don't let anyone police how you express yourself. Fuck their notions of order. Talk to yourself proudly.