retiredshared2 wrote
Reply to comment by GrimWillow in Do you support mandatory military drafts? by ziq
trolling isn't a violation of the tos, there has to be a vote for this
GrimWillow wrote
It's just a group of people coming out to harrass ziq on the shared accounts with useless shit like calling him a liberal for no reason and context. You really want those comments back? Do you think that this kind of harassment was worth keeping in this thread? It's not like they're banned or anything. It was essentially a shitpost that didn't contribute to anything except more animosity and drama...
retiredshared2 wrote (edited )
This kind of enforcement has never been in place before, it's funny that now ziq is the victim it is.
There has to be a vote to remove the comments and action taken in /f/TrollDissection whether this behavior is acceptable or not because that's the process that raddle has always used unless there is blatant tos violations.
GrimWillow wrote
Nah, I'm just new at admining, and maybe it's a mis-step on my part. This was literally the first comments I've deleted, and it had nothing to do with the fact that it was aimed at u/ziq (though he does seem to have a little group targeting him). Seemed like an obvious thing to me to remove shitposts made by shared accounts, especially since they can controlled/deleted by anyone. A troll could just come in and edit/delete any of the posts. I guess I always thought of the shared accounts as being a thing until they get taken over by trolls, which I'm expecting at one point.
Next time, I'll just point it out in u/TrollDissection instead of this kind of action if users are feeling like it's controversial.
ziq OP wrote
If they think removing spam is controversial they can use their regular account to say it. Throwaways don't have voting rights.
retiredshared2 wrote
That's reasonable
A troll could just come in and edit/delete any of the posts. I guess I always thought of the shared accounts as being a thing until they get taken over by trolls, which I'm expecting at one point.
agreed, this should probably be discussed in detail somewhere
ziq OP wrote
fuck voting to remove spam, that's never how raddle worked.
retiredshared5 wrote
spam doesn't include user genuine user comments
ziq OP wrote
Define 'genuine user comments'? All I saw were the anon accounts calling me a liberal and upvoting each other.
ziq OP wrote
Which would be fine if I had actually said something liberal, but I fucking hate 'national service' and was just trying to start a convo.
retiredshared5 wrote
suggesting national service has "benefits" is pretty liberal
I think it was also a little nod at how you call raddlers liberals for slipping up
retiredshared2 wrote
it isn't a brigade either if those people were raddlers
GrimWillow wrote
With the shared accounts, you can't even tell. I only deleted 2 things, and they were straight up shit-posts nonsensically dishing out insults based on the fact that the post was started someone they didn't like. It's not like ziq actually supports mandatory military draft, he's just asking a question...
retiredshared2 wrote
there's been no formal vote on whether shared accounts come under this rule or not.
There has however been a formal vote on whether it is acceptable for admins to remove comments they think have been made by trolls, which was put down by ziq themself!!
ziq OP wrote
What formal vote? This isn't pretend parliament - We appoint admins we trust to take care of spam like this. I'm not waiting 48 hours for everyone to vote about whether spam is spam when my thread is being hijacked to attack me again.
retiredshared2 wrote (edited )
the votes in /f/meta
It isn't spam though, these are user comments and now you're only calling it spam to avoid the use of the word troll, which isn't mentioned in the tos
If you think trolling should be in the tos then perhaps you could raise that?
ziq OP wrote
This isn't a tos issue. People abusing the anon accounts to engage in petty personal attacks, trolling and malicious disinfo don't get a right to 'democracy'.
Throwaways and anon accounts don't have voting rights in f/meta. If they're misusing the accounts, admins have all the leeway they need to put a stop to it.
The anon accounts are a privilege, not a right.
ziq OP wrote
Next time I'll just delete my whole thread and repost it.
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