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How does Raddle feel about editing posts?

Submitted by noordinaryspider in AskRaddle

Sometimes I don't notice typos before I post and other times I just don't want an emotional post to be a permanent fixture on a forum.

This is innocuous enough, but some forums have had issues with trolls editing posts to change the meaning after people have started commenting on it and causing trouble.

So I figured I'd ask what Raddle's experience, policy, and even just general feelings are about editing posts and adjust my own behaviour accordingly if necessary.

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ziq wrote

It frequently has led to gaslighting when I tell someone off for saying something bigotted and they edit it and then deny ever saying it. But it's their comment so they can do with it as they please.

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noordinaryspider wrote

Yea, after all the gaslighting I've been through I wanted to be particularly careful not to make things any worse for you than they already are. Maybe you could be my "one person" to trust about TWWS and MDC and the Dr. Amy trolls.

I honestly don't know how much of that is even around any more. The UC babies that caused all of that are preteens now. The other family was able to leave the US and the mom might have a perfectly happy and full afk life now and just not use the internet for all I know.

If anyone who is reading this has a clue what I'm talking about and enough time to deal with my pre-existing bullshit, please PM me.

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GrimWillow wrote

Yea, I've thought about that in the past. Sometimes if I suspect that they're going to do something like that, I quote them in my responses to them.

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GrimWillow wrote

It's ok, raddle is already known by the slimiest of the slime from /pol/ channers to voat goats, so red*it won't shit out stinkier turds than them.

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ziq wrote

I'm a lot more concerned about leftists destroying the site than rightists.

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noordinaryspider wrote (edited )

Yea, me too. I was reading an article about some of the fash recruitment techniques last night and thinking "Oh fuck".

It's a good thing no mommywarz trolls saw me letting my ten year old censor me on his mumble account! I trusted his judgement more than my own at the time, lol.

< cringe >

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ziq wrote

Do you have a link to the article you were reading?

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noordinaryspider wrote (edited )

Yup.

https://medium.com/@DeoTasDevil/the-rhetoric-tricks-traps-and-tactics-of-white-nationalism-b0bca3caeb84

and it was on https://raddle.me/f/Antifa

Feel free to speak to me privately or publicly at your own discretion and to change your mind at anytime.

noordinaryspider says that they are not a ziq alt. noordinaryspider is also more than willing to agree to disagree with anyone who thinks noordinaryspider is lying.

The previous two sentences will be struck out or deleted at ziq's request.

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ziq wrote (edited )

Yeah, rightists don't care about this site so why would they bother trying to kill it? Leftists, on the other hand have openly discussed hacking it to destroy it because of personal beefs. And they use throwaway accounts to seed paranoia and spread disinfo. And operate a fake raddle chat room controlled by a tankie that claims to be the official raddle chatroom. They largely use it to organize against the site.

Just because people call themselves leftists, it doesn't make them holy.

A lot of fascist trolls have come through here, but we spot them immediately because they're such clowns. They quickly get bored and leave. Leftist trolls keep up their antics for months. Terfs, tankies, brocialists, confused liberals... lots of leftists are reactionary as fuck.

There's even a terf we banned more than a year ago that still pms people to spread disinfo and incite divisions.

When you ban a fash, they just go back to reddit or voat. When you ban, demod, or even tell off a leftist, they hold a mean grudge because they feel entitled to raddle and can't handle being rejected.

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ravengrace wrote

It would be nice if raddle showed edit history. I think its ok if not used for gaslighting but that happens way too much.. Or as a way of not taking responsibility for what was said .

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selver wrote

I always edit my posts, to rephrase or expand an argument. If I edit it quick enough that I doubt the person read it, I just leave it as is. If it was a little while later, I put my addition under an "Edit:" heading.

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sudo wrote

I think editing for typos and such is fine, but editing a comment to pretend you never said something bigoted isn't. If the latter becomes too much of a problem, I think it would be a good idea to modify the Postmill source code such that all edits for a post/comment are stored, but only site admins can see the previous versions (in case of someone editing a post to remove personal information they didn't want to make public). That way, an admin could resolve disputes like this by showing what the original post said. This requires the admins to be trustworthy people, but that's already a requirement.

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noordinaryspider wrote (edited )

Oh good god I just said the exact same thing I forgot I'd alrady said last night. Give me a cure for menopause if i can't have an edit button, lol.

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surreal wrote

Maybe a number counter on each post about how many letters/words/whatever was changed with edits, this way the history will not have to be saved and only a calculation will be done on edits. This means changes on Postmill codebase.

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buzz wrote (edited )

I think the "radical center" solution is allowing editing but having an editing log for each post/comment accessible somehow. The issue however is that this would require a lot more data to load comments and posts that in most cases is just hidden

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noordinaryspider wrote

I see the time posts are edited automatically but nowhere for the poster to type the reason. To be bluntly honest, I guess I kind of abused that in the past and would type "for no good reason at all" or something to be funny.

Not allowing edits at all wouldn't work for me. I'm not that good a writer yet.

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supernice wrote

I edit my posts sometimes because of spelling errors that I may have missed, but I have wondered sometimes if it will come off as me changing my post.

I'm not sure I've seen any post here where it looks like someone may have altered the original meaning to make themselves look better. Have you seen that here?

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ziq wrote

I post a rough draft of my comment and then edit the fuck out of it until it makes sense, same way I write fiction.

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noordinaryspider wrote

Yea, me too. Sibling was older than me so when they said they were too old to play with toys I fooled them into playing with words instead.

We were gonna be famous writers when we grew up. I grew up. Fuck the publishing industry, if my forum posts are going to be my contribution to the human race and the only form of immortality mankind has been able to come up with so far that I even want (the printed word) then I'm going to make them count!

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raindropq wrote

does your sibling still play with words?

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noordinaryspider wrote (edited )

He died.

He was known as "she" in the zine-o-sphere because they died in the 20th century. I think his preferred pronouns would have been his and I have no idea what his name was or if he even had one.

His driver's license said something like "Tiffany Fluffy Foo-Foo" but his body was 200 lbs of solid muscle mountain man so I think he's okay with "he/him/his" but s/he isn't here for me to ask them.

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supernice wrote

Cool, you're a writer! What kind of fiction do you write?

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noordinaryspider wrote

Absolutely not! I'm just erring on the side of caution and asking because I feel as if I am walking into a community that has had some issues in the past and my social skills have never been the greatest.

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GrimWillow wrote (edited )

Yea, every internet community is being invaded by fascists. Since they've been pushed off the streets so much, many of them sit inside on the computer and spend time invading boards, making memes, software, and videos. Many Anarchists I know just don't know anything about computers, or even want to be on one very long. Unfortunately most of these entitled fashy white boys also have the privilege of having lots of access to computer hardware, access to knowledge, and time on their hands. There are tons of techy Anarchists, but I'd say not as many as the fash. This culture produces enough fash to keep them dangerous on this medium.

Soo it's reasonable to be cautious about deception, lots of trolls from around the web target this place, especially since it's a far-left link aggregation site with Tor access. Luckily there has been some incredibly talented help from people like u/emma (though they quit not too long ago, I think). The admins do a great job at keeping it clean, but you should always be wary that the fash are recording everything and will attempt to sow discord. They usually come in groups as a "raid", and occasionally we get some lone users come in screaming at "commie" stawmen.

Most of the time it's not bad, and most users here are pretty chill peeps, and the fash stand out around here because they try to pretend they're us, but come off sounding like aliens trying to pretend they're human.

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noordinaryspider wrote

Thanks, GrimWillow. This makes a lot more sense but it also means I'm going to have to change my internet behaviour in general and that I've made some mistakes here already that I should probably discuss privately with someone I trust to relate to my situation.

I don't feel particularly knowledgeable about tech, but some of the posts here are kind of basic compared to what I was used to seeing when i was (mis)using tech boards for socializing.

My perception has been an increasing unfriendliness online and of course I have enemies that I never connected the dots to think of as fash and my paranoia about bringing mommywarz trolls into other areas of my life was not unreasonable.

A bit of attention to security culture, openness with more knowledgeable anarchists, and willingness to toss aside generational stereotypes and ageism on the part of myself and only one moderater should fix things right up.

What is the correct code for strikethrough on Postmill?

Does this work?

< s> I typed too fast and made a boo-boo</s>

or this?

[s] I typed too fast and made a boo-boo[/s]

And if neither of them do, what should I use instad of < * s * > or [ * s * ]

and if that was completely the wrong forum board culture and just as dumb as using the word "normie" to describe a neurotypical person with a less-than-traumatic upbringing, what I was trying to ask is whether Postmill uses the simplified bb code on Invision Power Board and other popular mommywebz forum software or does it use Big People HTML?

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GrimWillow wrote

If you click on "Syntax reference" at the lower right-hand corner of the box you type in when writing a post or reply, you'll be shown how to do different editing things like that.

Otherwise strikethrough is not mentioned in that reference and is two tilde's (~) on either side of a word:

so if you type "~~word~~" in, you'll end up with "word"

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raindropq wrote (edited )

describing someone as "neurotypical with a less-than-traumatic upbringing" sounds to me just as problematic as calling them a "normie". but yeah there is so much bigotry around everywhere these days . even using "dumb" as a slur is obviously oppressive to someone who can't talk good(or type words).tho perhaps i'm absently in the wrong forum board nest culture

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noordinaryspider wrote

Nah, I need this sh*t. I type before I think and I use hyperbole to communicate to people with closed minds. Don't ever be afraid of calling me out in a respectful manner.

When the word was pointed out to me as jarring I rephrased it as "a very nice person who mant well but was unaware of my anarchist background and easy access to rad mental health info and care" which is too wordy but objective enough to get my point across.

"Dumb" is also a triggery term for any female of my generation, especially if they had blonde hair as a toddler and I know darned well everyone under the age of at least 35 is thinking, "Whaaaaaaaa?!?!?!" and I'm THRILLED that at least gender shit is getting better in my lifetime.

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raindropq wrote

i think the attitude of addressing "people with closed minds" is problematic , too. i don't know how accurate are your general assumptions regarding others' level of awareness.

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noordinaryspider wrote

I don't either. That's my problem here.

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raindropq wrote (edited )

please feel free to ask for help. there seems to be some goodhearted caring folks on Raddle

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noordinaryspider wrote

Thank you.

This sentence is false; I just don't know I'm lying yet.

The person I was trying to describe was neither neurotypical nor unscathed by their childhood, they were just different, I didn't want to dox them, and their life story was irrelevant to my question, which was about anarcho-nihilism and is publicly viewable in /f/Anarchy101

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noordinaryspider wrote

Thank you. That is my impression too. The alternative was to just withdraw and that didn't work either because I wound up needing to vent so badly that I chose the wrong person.

:(

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noordinaryspider wrote

I'm not going to edit and say "Edited to add" but I am going to elaborate and say that I don't think I'm some perfect person come to save the Millenials with the one true boomer truth.

I'm just a confused fellow human being trying to make sense of the world and learn a new language called "2018".

Your hovercraft is full of eels and it makes my nee-puls explode with delight; did I say someting wrong? Why do you hate me?