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alqm wrote

"Wanna get out of poverty? Start a company! Go out there and do something!"

Ha! Who's gonna do the dirty jobs if everyone opens a company? Capitalism doesn't work like that.

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noordinaryspider wrote (edited )

That three sentence quote, "Wanna get out of poverty? Start a company! Go out there and do something!", is one of the best bruise-kickers for the downwardly mobile. It's like a suicide bot if you don't think a dehumanized former person's life is valuable enough to waste a bullet to end it.

The demonized #asbs and #ash, on the other hand, turned out to be sweet, helpful suicide prevention sites that don't exclude people past their "expiration date" or those dealing with chronic and ultimately terminal illnesses.

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Stapper wrote

Free competition is not “free,” because I lack the THINGS for competition. Against my person no objection can be made, but because I have not the things my person too must step to the rear. And who has the necessary things? Perhaps that manufacturer? Why, from him I could take them away! No, the State has them as property, the manufacturer only as fief, as possession.

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jadedctrl wrote (edited )

”You want Socialism?! But that would be anarchy! Ugh, there's no getting through to you, naïve damn commies…“

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TheLegendaryBirdMonster wrote

Capitalism is good, the problem is crony capitalism.

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d5450 wrote

It's true

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DeathToAmerica wrote (edited )

All capitalism becomes crony capitalism. It's unavoidable. And even if it didn't, libertarian capitalism would still mean massive inequality for anyone who isn't privileged enough to excel at capitalism. You really think the ideal world is one where one lucky guy has the majority of the wealth and everyone around him has to make do on his breadcrumbs, while working 9-5 to make him even more money, and like it?

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d5450 wrote

If I'm that one "lucky" white man, hell yeah brother.

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DeathToAmerica wrote

Then you desire feudalism. 'Libertarian' capitalism is just feudalism. You literally live to exploit those less fortunate than you for their labor and their blood.

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d5450 wrote

Eat or be eaten. If you don't exploit others, you will be exploited. That is human nature and cannot be avoided. No matter what ideology is in effect, there will always be someone exploiting others.

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DeathToAmerica wrote

If that's human nature then it should be perfectly fine for me to barbecue your family the next time I get hungry. So no whining after the fact.

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d5450 wrote

The thing is, it's still better than any other ideology. Under anarchy everyone would just kill and rob each other, under communism everyone would be starving and poor, and under fascism everyone would be not as hungry but still poor and a slave to the government.

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DeathToAmerica wrote

If you're going to call yourself a libertarian, you should learn what words mean. Libertarians/anarchist/communist societies don't have money. Everyone gets equal access to goods. How can everyone be poor and starving? There is no such thing as being poor in a society where there is no money and no hierarchy.

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d5450 wrote (edited )

In the 60s in the soviet union, my whole family on my fathers' side lived in a small room the size of an average living room under capitalism. They could hardly afford clothes and had to wear a pair of shoes for years. They couldn't afford a car, yet they worked hard for their state. If this isn't called being poor, idk what is.

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ziq wrote

"Worked hard for their state"

Communism is stateless so you're not making the point you think you're making. The USSR wasn't communist, it was state capitalist aka hyper-capitalist.

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d5450 wrote

Sorry, not much into politics. I just believe in the US constitution fully, what's that ideology called. And I'm no psychopath parasite. I would prefer everyone live a happy and free life, but our reality is different.

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DeathToAmerica wrote (edited )

that's okay but in the future don't make statements like 'I'm a libertarian' when you actually mean 'I'm a wealthy white guy who gets off gambling with people's futures and I worship a document written by slaveowning aristocrats'

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d5450 wrote

I love how you make sure to include the word "white" in your statements, I bet you believe in white privilege. I'm not white by liberal definition, I'm slavic

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ziq wrote

White people don't have privilege compared to non white people in your country?

I'm not white by liberal definition, I'm slavic

lol

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Green_Mountain_Makhno wrote (edited )

No one is saying we want open borders! We want a slightly more equitable system of oppression and family separation common sense immigration reform.

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GrimWillow wrote

How do you do cross-out text? I didn't see it in the syntax reference.

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selver wrote (edited )

two tildes (~) on each side

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noordinaryspider wrote (edited )

thank you can I be your best friend do you want to fuck me let me tell you all about my problems so that you know just how grateful I am Mr. Smart person can I lick your ass so you d0ont have to buy toilet paper any more please Mr. Smart Person Sir do you want me to shoot Jodie foster for you to impress the president oh mr smart person you have no idea how much this means to me please mr smart person all i want out of life is to be your best friend to thank you

Cool. TFS.

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raindropq wrote (edited )

oh. my. goodness. ! peace out. stay dangerous!

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NeoliberalismKills wrote

Violence doesn't solve anything.

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sudo wrote

Love trumps hate!

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Anarcropolis wrote

possibly the worst slogan

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GrimWillow wrote (edited )

I can't help but read it as "love trump's hate"...it almost feels like it was planted by the alt-right or something, but liberals will always surprise in how much they embarrass themselves, either way it's bad.

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noordinaryspider wrote

It's inaccurate too, based on overanalyzing half a century of lived experience.

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GrimWillow wrote

I dunno. I still think the power and passion of love is stronger than hate; hate is violently pushed on society in so many different ways that there's just a lot more of it.

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ravengrace wrote (edited )

"If everyone was more like pro-life protestors the world would be a better place. I see them ALL the time standing outside the hospital! Now that's dedication."

"I promise not to tell your friends I'm not a feminist if you let me perform my poetry at your event.."

*interrupts indigenous person mid-sentance "AS A WHITE PAGAN MY PEOPLE TOO SUFFER FROM INDUSTRY"

*sends me a 5 page essay on how I'm mean because I won't let her perform a poem at my event that includes the words "big oil sees no colour"

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GrimWillow wrote

Antifascists are too harsh on fascists. I guess that makes them fascists themselves somehow.

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Anarcropolis wrote (edited )

"Donald Trump is not part of the ruling class elite." [sic]

-my father.

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noordinaryspider wrote

I'm sorry.

I have one of those kinds of fathers too, only fortunately he's a dyed in the wool Democrat so it's everything EXCEPT Trump and US Politics.

Our relationship improved greatly after his 80th birthday and when I was able to "take breaks" instead of trying to go all out NC forever 'n ever 'n ever and then beating myself up for "failing" because I love the asshole.

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Anarcropolis wrote

I don't know how to explain politics, especially to family. When t_d and facebook inform someones worldview how do you argue that? It's constructed reality.

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noordinaryspider wrote

I have no idea. Everything I personally try seems to be counterproductive. Finally I just stopped, tuned out all their https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qNfucKAftB0 , and realized that I am fucked no matter what (disinherited but not completely disowned) and this conversation/text/email may be the last chance I get to say "I love you" and/or ask a question that nobody else can answer.

My parents are pushing 85. I didn't mean to come off as if I thought this shit was easy or as if I had some sort of a magic bullet.

I think it's great that you're still communicating with your parents and wish you much luck. Don't let it bring you down too much if you can help it, okay?

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noordinaryspider wrote

I'm sure I already have unironically and ignorantly, but there's plenty of reading material here to take care of that minor ignorance issue I've never denied having and I'd love civil and polite advice on prioritizing and time management skills.

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Copenhagen_Bram wrote (edited )

i said hi to you and this is what i get? ;-;

stfu liberal

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ziq wrote

My anarchist praxis is maybe one day getting a magnet installed into my finger.

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ziq wrote

Also, I looked up 'liberal' in the dictionary and it sounds pretty good to me.

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ziq wrote

And I say 'he/she' instead of 'they' because Richard Stallman told me to.

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Copenhagen_Bram wrote (edited )

  • It's pers/per, not he/she. I did that (used he/she) of my own accord, and then changed it to follow your advice. And nobody's right about everything.

  • Don't worry, I'll remember to refer to you as they.

edit: ziq thinks I'm trying to claim I used pers, i didn't

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ziq wrote

Since you only refer to me to make passive aggressive quips, just don't refer to me at all.

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Copenhagen_Bram wrote (edited )

Will you please stop harassing me?

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noordinaryspider wrote (edited )

I don't understand the animosity between you two and I like both of you. Please disregard anything I may have posted to try to help because I don't know what the fuck I'm talking about and need to STFU and MYOB. I wish you both well.

/noordinaryspider

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retiredshared2 wrote

I say 'he/she' instead of 'they' because Richard Stallman told me to.

Fuck Stallman, but no he didn't. https://stallman.org/articles/genderless-pronouns.html

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ziq wrote (edited )

Yeah but Copenhagen_Bram linked to the article to justify calling a raddle user both 'he/she' and '(s)he'. I guess Bram didn't read the whole thing at the time.

Now Bram is claiming he said 'pers/per' in his comment, which is a bald faced lie. He editted and then deleted the thread, so I can't prove it.

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Copenhagen_Bram wrote

  • It's pers/per, not he/she. I did that of my own accord, and then changed it to follow your advice. And nobody's right about everything.

  • Don't worry, I'll remember to refer to you as they.