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BunnyBop wrote

Why are you assuming the users here are living in safety and comfort under capitalism? I know a bunch of people who aren't. Also, why choose Soviet-style "communism" as opposed to other systems? Trying to manipulate the outcome, eh?

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OKC wrote

What other form of communism has there been?

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BunnyBop wrote

There are other systems of communism out there, like anarcho-communism. I suggest you educate yourself if you seriously don't know any other types of communism other than what the Soviets put in place.

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OKC wrote

What country has that?

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BunnyBop wrote

Google is your friend, but it doesn't really matter. Are you suggesting that the Soviets were the only communists because they're the only ones you know of that had a country?

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OKC wrote

It's not real unless it happens.

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retiredshared2 wrote

Free Territory, Revolutionary Spain, Paris Commune, Democratic Federation of Northern Syria, Zapatista Liberation Army. Enjoy.

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Green_Mountain_Makhno wrote

  1. Fuck you

  2. Capitalism doesn't produce safety and comfort for the vast majority. I'd personally take Soviet style society over current capitalism (though it has been rightfully pointed out that soviet style economy was not communism, but state capitalism). That being said, I would rebel against that too.

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sudo wrote

I am currently facing forced labor via threat of starvation under capitalism. So, I would not say that I live in safety and comfort now.

Also, if you think things were like that in the Soviet Union, then you are sorely mistaken.

honest answers only or I'll delete them

Should we tell them that they're not able to delete other people's comments? I think we should tell them.

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ziq wrote

So I have to choose between capitalism or capitalism?

Hmmm....

I guess I'll go with capitalism.

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OKC wrote

No I said capitalism or communism.

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ziq wrote

The USSR wasn't communist, it was state capitalist which is an even more hierarchical and unequal form of capitalism than 'free market' capitalism.

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OKC wrote

Citation needed...

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Dumai wrote

what would you call an economic system predicated on wage-labour, generalised commodity production, and capital?

none of that changes just because most industries and sectors are state-owned or otherwise state-controlled.

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OKC wrote

It's communism if the workers own the means of production.

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Dumai wrote

... which they patently didn't in the ussr, so what's your point?

i mean you could make the argument i suppose that the kolkhozy were legally cooperatively owned as opposed to the state-owned sovkhozy, but in practice kolkhozy were so tightly controlled that there was functionally little difference between the two in their managerial structures

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OKC wrote

It's funny how your argument for communism always comes down to <<that wasn't REAL communism>> lol

If there was never real communism then you're just a book club.

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Dumai wrote

well i'm not a communist so don't look at me

it's just kind of a plain fact of political economy that capital prevailed under the ussr /shrug

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jadedctrl wrote

It's funny how your argument for communism always comes down to <<that wasn't REAL communism>> lol

“It's funny how your argument for Communism always comes down to facts coming from even a basic understanding of Communism lol”

If there was never real communism then you're just a book club.

So any idea that hasn't been put into long and tangible practice is bullocks to you? You should think more often, friend

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Shittles wrote

Tell me where this SafeAndComfortableIstan place is and I'll get in touch about my immigration application, because here in the US Of Oligarchy where I'm living things are getting nastier by the day.

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365degrees wrote

Honestly, right now I'm mostly fine under capitalism, but that doesn't mean everyone else is living alright. Everyone else is most certainly not living alright, with people dying of many preventable causes like starvation and preventable illnesses, only with capitalism's pay-or-get-out mentality to blame. The Soviets actually seemed okay with welfare (if you weren't on one of their lists), and I think you're just creating a bad choice to troll.

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OKC wrote

If welfare is your concern then you should choose capitalism so there's actually money to pay for it.

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Zzzxxxyyy wrote

You don’t know how money works...

Money isn’t some resource you find in the ground or mana from heaven. It’s a social contract for resource allocation. There are other ways to fairly distribute resources. Soviet Communism was an attempt at that.

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OKC wrote

Yes and the bread lines showed it failed.

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Zzzxxxyyy wrote

Literally, no one here thinks Soviet “Communism” was communism. You’re not changing anyone’s mind by not understanding. There are wikis for this, why not go read a bit then come back and troll once your arguments are more interesting to us.

As is, you’re not contributing positively to the conversation here on Raddle and you’re not advancing any goals of turning anyone into a capitalist.

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OKC wrote

How do I delete stupid comments?

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ziq wrote

Hit the delete button under your comment.

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OKC wrote

I know that but the button is only showing up under my comments even though it's my post.

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Dumai wrote

let's add forums to the list of things you don't understand