Zzzxxxyyy wrote at June 26, 2018 at 11:28 AM

Is anything “real?”

UnkownReality wrote at June 27, 2018 at 4:26 AM

It's real as long as you chose to make it real. Everything is defined by perspective since that's really the only form of reality we're ever going to feel. You will never know if another person is even feeling, but despite that you chose to make that person a reality to yourself, so since there's nothing neccesarily going against that I guess we could say your perspective is real.

md_ wrote at June 26, 2018 at 12:07 PM

Is anything “real?”

Sort of.

Prove it.

md_ wrote at June 26, 2018 at 7:19 PM

There's no such thing as "proof" outside of maths and formal logic.

amongstclouds wrote at June 26, 2018 at 7:21 PM

Okay, great deflection, so how can you go about 'sort of' showing things are real?

md_ wrote at June 26, 2018 at 7:35 PM

I suspect you made a lot of assumptions from my two-word comment that was just matching the tone of the first commentator. It's not a deflection though, we really can't prove things in a system we do not know the limits of.

In earnest, my view is that there is stuff out there, but human understanding relies exclusively on abstraction, symbolic representation, and building models of the world. If we have useful (fit-for-purpose) models that make predictions which hold, then that model is "sort of" real. If we never hit upon outcomes that falsify it, and it explains the things we want explanations for, it's in a very strict sense as good as the reality.

That's what I mean with "sort of real".

amongstclouds wrote at June 26, 2018 at 8:11 PM (edited at June 26, 2018 at 8:41 PM)

I'm sorry if I came off as aggressive, but 'sort of real,' has always came off as a weak, but almost correct point of view. It's some weird logical safe ground where the 'sort of' saves our view from being totally wrong and acts as a shelter that only gives us temporary protection from the elements.

I'm literally just interested in talking about this subject and there isn't really any room for 'blah blah blah you're making assumptions,' like of course I'm making assumptions just as you also make assumptions about what I mean.

md_ wrote at June 26, 2018 at 9:04 PM

Fair enough, and that's why I gave quick summary of what I think it is the case, to reassure you that I'm not just being flippant.