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Danarchist wrote

Conspiracy theory culture is at its core rooted in being skeptical but not critical. Skepticism is an important part of leftist thinking since you need it to question the existing paradigm, so that part is useful, but without critical thinking folks like this will believe anything.

I suppose what I'm getting at is we shouldn't remove it (unless they're posting reactionary views), but we shouldn't encourage it either. Encourage them to critically analyze where they're getting their info from instead.


sudo wrote

This will only work if you can catch them early. Once they've gone into the "deep end" of conspiracy theories, they'll call anyone who argues against them a government shill, or something to that effect, which will only be further proof (in their mind) of the conspiracy. It's a vicious cycle. If you think they have not gone past the point of no return, then go ahead and engage with them. Otherwise, save your breath.

And I don't think we should leave it up, either. Not everyone has the critical thinking skills necessary to check sources, spot logical fallacies, etc. So, if one of these people is exposed to a conspiracy theory, they might fall for it, and become a conspiracy theorist themselves. I think it would be irresponsible of us to allow that to happen.


Danarchist wrote

Fair point. I'm not sure in an online forum it's worth leaving that stuff up. It seems the kind of thing that would be hard to get some one out of if you aren't close with the person.


Dumai wrote

how could it possibly be used to our advantage?

speaking as somebody who once got threaten with the death by a truther because i have jewish ancestry

i really don't think it can


ziq wrote (edited )

To steer people that r naturally skeptical of the state /capital towards anarchy instead of fascism.

And by promoting legit antistate / capital conspiracies instead of ones made up to incite bigotry.



Dumai wrote

that seems less like using conspiracy theory culture to our advantage and more like trying to kill it with kindness

if anybody wants to do the work of trying to convert fascists, racists, and right-libertarians, fine, but i personally cannot and will not do it and i don't think it should be the focal point for any serious radical political project


ziq wrote

I'm not talking about fascists, I'm talking about regular people that are looking for answers in the wrong places.


ThisGuyIsAProblem wrote

"Imagination is more important than knowledge." - Einstein
Conspiracy theories are no different than scientific theories. They both are used to explain observed phenomena, and are created to attract attention to the phenomena so that the phenomena will be studied.
Hate towards conspiracy theories is no different than hate towards heretics. Early religions often slaughtered, killed, and maimed to contrary theories of how the world functioned. Human nature doesn't change, so while conspiracy theory culture is meant to raise awareness of problems, be careful who's awareness you bring it to.


asg101 wrote

Kinda surprised to see this CIA invented derogatory and dismissive terminology used in a forum that should be encouraging resistance against such crap.

"Conspiracy Theorist" was created to discredit those that don't buy the "official narrative", and you are playing right along by perpetuating the slur.


Dumai wrote (edited )

perhaps but there is also a notable political subculture of people who self-identify as "conspiracy theorists" and these people's politics are generally far from left-wing

look if people think jews run the world or that academic institutions have been overtaken by cultural marxists for the purpose of "destroying western culture" then of course they deserve to be mocked


ziq wrote

While I agree the word is derogatory when used by the state to scoff at anyone questioning their narrative, you can say the same thing about the word 'anarchy' which is also used by the state as an insult. And since there is no better umbrella term to describe false flag attacks, gov assassinations, corporations giving peoole cancer, etc, conspiracy will do.