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kore wrote

I'm all for voluntary porn, but I don't think this site should be used to post pornography without the person knowing.

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Tequila_Wolf wrote (edited )

Cloudforester's words are swerfy in the parent comments not directly linked here.

We generally don't allow use of the site to promote selling anything. Occasionally we'll post about big sales of theoretical books, but generally when people come here to sell things we ban them. [Edit: Just remembered, didn't we have people selling poppy seeds / drugs on a forum here? Edit 2: and we host f/gundeals. So I was mistaken. That said, the few users that forum had were generally an admin pain with a lot of people with garbage politics - if they'd been substantial they wouldn't have worked in the space. (this is why we'd likely need some anarchistic sex workers running the space if we utilised the space for sex work in any substantial way)]

That said, I've never liked the no porn rule. Unlike a 'rule' against racism, a rule against porn does not seem necessary. And since it doesn't seem necessary, I don't think it should exist.

When this clampdown on sex work happened in the US (and as a result globally), I wondered how we might be able to help. Raddle's not very well-optimised as a sex working site because of the (generally) visual nature of it and raddle's lack of embedded images. I would love it if sex workers did some work on postmill to optimise it for their use.

If sex workers wanted to use the site, I would invite them to propose it to the community. Of course, our present rules will generally make them assume they are not welcome (and so they would probably not even try), so that probably needs to at the very least be reworded to imply that they can be changed.

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sudo wrote

I never liked the "no porn" rule, either, and I don't recall it being proposed in /f/meta. Perhaps we should call for a re-vote.

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ziq wrote (edited )

It was proposed in meta, voted on and passed. I made sure that non-pornographic nudity would still be permitted when I added it to the ToS.

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sudo wrote

I cannot find it anywhere in /f/meta. Was the thread deleted?

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ziq wrote

Idk. If you check the tos it might list the date I added that rule, which might make it easier to find. Duckduckgo site:raddle.me porn rule brought back too many results to be worth slogging through on mobile. I can't remember who made the proposal.

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Tequila_Wolf wrote

I haven't managed to find it either - all I've found is the conversation linked at the bottom of the w/terms_of_service - this one - which isn't great. More was definitely said about it, since I think I remember voicing my reservations then. Must be deleted?

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ziq wrote

I also remember talking more than that. I voiced my reservations and made the point that banning nudity would be a bad idea because what about femen protests and art and etc.

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sudo wrote

Must be. I don't remember seeing the proposal, though, since I would have cast a "nay" vote on it. Maybe it was voted on and deleted when I was away for a few days, or maybe it was proposed somewhere other than /f/meta. I don't know.

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Tequila_Wolf wrote

I've looked for a while though and it's likely been deleted. Seems like it should be readdressed. Somebody making a proposal then us collectively working on amending it sounds good.

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sudo wrote (edited )

Sounds good. I'll go open it up for discussion in /f/meta.

Edit: Here it is.

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selver wrote

Porn should probably be allowed, at worst just have a rule about only posting porn that people actually get money for. Ie. No tube sites, etc. Independently produced only or something.

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ziq wrote

I glanced at that and all the 'content' (a guy masturbating) was made by some pedo (username was 'happypedo' or something).

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Fossidarity wrote (edited )

I think it's too hard to verify if porn is exploitative or helpful for sex workers so I think excluding it is better.

OT: Wow I didn't realize there's so much hate against Raddle on Reddit, can anyone explain the reason for that?

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ziq wrote

They're happy in their rightwing corporate cesspool and don't like for anyone to put ideas out there that would burst that bubble or make them feel like anything less than the perfect virtuous leftists they know they are.

Knowing there's a libre reddit alternative out there run by anarchists and that they've never bothered to contribute because they're too busy feeding the reddit machine would cause them to engage in self analysis, so instead they attack raddle and frantically upvote eachother so they have an excuse to continue ignoring this place.

They also have it in their heads that raddle is filled with rapists and cannibals because of reactionary trolls that keep saying that, and most anarchists sadly have trouble breaking away from the groupthink to form their own thoughts. They live in a perpetual state of COINTELPRO; making sure no radical movement or project can succeed.

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SouthsideGrackles wrote

Ziq treated a lot of people like shit back when they were on reddit, and used alts to create a lot of animosity. And manipulated and harassed people.

And since they are so associated to raddle people have animosity towards raddle too.

They can blame others, make excuses and lie, but that's the actual answer to your question of the reason anarchists on reddit have issues with raddle.

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amongstclouds wrote

Gross, you're actually making excuses for the existence of Reddit?

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SouthsideGrackles wrote

Someone asked a question and I tokd them the actual reason.

Your trump supporter like response (distract and attack) to criticism you don't like is what's gross.

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amongstclouds wrote

Or maybe I'm tired of your little commie groupthink where you spend all your time attacking ziq so you can posture yourself as some radicool patriot of Raddle.

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ziq wrote

Sad thing is they fashion themself a post leftist but spend most of their raddle time moralizing about evil-ziq.

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amongstclouds wrote

And how weak of a comeback was that? Calling me a Trump supporter because he didn't like that I called him gross.

I bet he thinks if we just got rid of Trump, we'd be in the clear.

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SouthsideGrackles wrote

Someone asked a question and you lied to them. I just wanted to chime in to let them know the truth.

You know, like when you flash your lights to oncoming traffic to warn them there's a cop ahead.

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SouthsideGrackles wrote

You're the one posturing as ziqs white knight, defending his toxic behavior with cult like devotion.

Someone asked why reddit folks have issues with raddle, and the answer I gave is the actual reason.

But of course youd rather believe a known and admitted liar than allow for accurate criticism of your little idol there.

Personally I think you are clearly ziq, but I don't think it matters at all really.

Question asked and question answered, you can cry about it if you want. But it is the truth.

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ziq wrote (edited )

I'm not her, stop the witch hunt.

You gave your reason.

You have a hate boner for me because I used to talk back to you on meta when you were a mod and drive you to rage. I have no regrets, you were a shit mod and a shit postleftist. You spent all day moralizing while claiming to be above it.

You don't speak for the entirety of reddit.

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SouthsideGrackles wrote

If people don't believe me they can ask the people on reddit who are hating on raddle. I think they'll find my answer is correct.

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ziq wrote (edited )

I'll volunteer to let an admin check my past pm convos with clouds if it'll shut you up.

Reddit brocialists hating me for mocking them isn't something I'm ashamed of.

Edit: clouds, feel free to post screenshots of our pm convos if you care about clearing your name from these accusations these ppl keep making.

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amongstclouds wrote

Honestly, I don't feel like I should have to prove that I'm not you so I'll let him just continue thinking I'm you. At this point it's hilarious and it's a very low energy thing for me. I know who I am. :)

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SouthsideGrackles wrote

I don't care honestly. For their sake I hope they are you, becauae if not they're a sad and pathetic sycophant of you.

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ziq wrote

You've been following me around and raging about me for years but yeah, you don't care at all.

You did way worse to people than I ever did to you. I literally just argued with you a lot and convinced the others to ban brocialists that were making a mockery of our politics. Why do you care so much after all this time?

It's too bad you're too in denial to have an honest convo about this shit.

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SouthsideGrackles wrote

I saw you lying to someone and I let them know the truth. If they don't believe me they can go verify it by asking the people on reddit criticizing raddle.

All your bluster, insults, assumptions and accusations can't distract from the simple fact that they can go ask the people hating on raddle and see if what I am saying is true.

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ziq wrote (edited )

Dude. I didn't lie. It's no secret that I've pissed off people. Why would I deny it? I obviously take pride in it. But that has nothing to do with the person in that thread who has never interacted with me before. They badmouthed raddle because 'it's filled with egoist rants' or whatever.

Very few people on reddit know who the fuck I am. Even fewer people hold a grudge years after they argued with me on the internet. Those that do are not worthy of anyone's attention. Their anger towards me for being banned from a sub because I made a convincing argument about their bigotry does not make me donald trump.

You've always misused the word 'lie', it's ridiculous. My analysis is not a lie, it's a perfectly valid representation of self-destructive leftist behavior.

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ChaosRocket wrote

When porn is posted online, there’s little way to tell if it’s actually consensual. There are frequent cases of porn getting pulled because it turns out one of the people in it is underaged. There are many stories of professional porn performers being forced or coerced into performing. You also can’t tell if the people appearing in porn may be too drunk or high to consent, especially if it’s just a still photo. There’s also the case of revenge porn being posted non-consensually.

Basically, how would we verify that the porn posted here contained only of-age people who are genuinely consenting? I don’t think Raddle is capable of ensuring that.

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amongstclouds wrote

What are you talking about? Lots of sex workers promote themselves on Reddit. Many run their own subs full of fans.

Like, where?

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edmund_the_destroyer wrote

Assuming that was a serious question, if you go to the "gonewild" subreddits - gonewild, gonewildplus, gonewildcolor, etc... many of the people posting have on their own personal subreddit ads for pornographic videos, cam shows, and so forth.