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Dumai wrote

mayhaps consider there's a reason people don't openly discuss the extreme measures they take on the internet

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amongstclouds wrote

I'm sorry I wasn't aware you knew any of us personally.

Not today, NSA. Lol.

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SouthsideGrackles wrote

People who support the program of mainstream political parties m could do more. They could sell their house, donate all the money to the political campaign, they could quit their job and live out of their car and spend all their time spreading the message of that party. But no one really does that, and yet their commitment to their beliefs aren't questioned when all they do is show up every now and then to vote.

Anarchists do a lot more than just show up and vote, and the fact that most of them don't literally sacrifice their lives in pursuit of their beliefs really shouldn't be enough to call into question the degree to which they actually hold those beliefs.

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amongstclouds wrote

We can do so much more alive and not in the ground that's for sure.

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zombie_berkman wrote

Just the fact that I show up to some things already means ive risk way more than some dumbass Bernie supporter ever will. And I dont mean loss of life. Im willing to bet I would instantly lose my job

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amongstclouds wrote

Very true. There are so many reasons to not throw your life into the grinder when we are much more effective healthy and alive!

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zombie_berkman wrote

I mean thats true but I was trying to say is that there are things that if my employeer found out I potentially did im sure I would be let go on the stop. Canvasing for Bernie wont get you fired

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sudo wrote

I'm willing to sacrifice my life for socialism, but the time for revolution has not yet come. In order to overthrow capitalism, you need the support of most of the workers. Going out on your own and shooting at cops will accomplish nothing but your own death.

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DissidentRage wrote

It will also serve the liberals' bullshit "optics" campaign to keep workers from becoming aware of their place in the struggle.

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DaisyDisaster wrote

I don't see why I should necessarily sacrifice my life for my goals. I'd sacrifice my life for people in certain situations maybe, but my goals are there to serve me. I don't serve them.

I'd do things to forward them more if I weren't incredibly anxious and fatigued all the time, and if I had a better meatspace support system. As it is, I don't, and so I don't go out of my way to do things that would sacrifice my wellbeing too much.

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Tequila_Wolf wrote (edited )

Raddle is just my day job :)

You might want to talk a bit more about what you mean with extreme though. We don't attack people indiscriminately as a general rule, but we've done pretty much all the other things through our history. Most of us are trying to build up autonomous communities/groups/collectives, which doesn't look like 'extremism' to most people, and that's something that should not be left unsaid. It looks like people setting up ways helping each other, feeding each other, teaching each other and meeting each others needs and desires without political mediation. You can check examples in f/Mutual_Aid, f/Community_Projects, f/Events. People here are also unlikely to talk about 'extreme' things that they've actually done, because that would be a very bad idea. That said, as a general grouping of anti-authoritarian anticapitalists, we've been part of many things, like

And that's just some off the top of my head.

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amongstclouds wrote

You cannot force these connections. There is no unity, but solidarity, and only we as individuals decide who to support and not.

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amongstclouds wrote (edited )

I Want Friends, Not Community!

Also just to leave you with something to think about dealing with community from Civil War by Tiqqun:

  1. There can be no community of those who are there.

GLOSS: Every community is both an actuality and a potentiality. When it claims to be completely realized, as in Total Mobilization, or remain pure potentiality, as in the heavenly solitude of Bloom—there is no community.

Civil War PDF

The above section has always told me that community is something that can only exist right here, right now. Anything else is a phantom whispering sweet nothing's in our ear till we finally collapse under it's pressure.

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amongstclouds wrote

It's best not to become attached to the idea of wanting something outside of yourself because nothing is ever guaranteed.

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amongstclouds wrote (edited )

Did you think I was being rude?

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amongstclouds wrote

Cool, another gaslighter to put on the list of those to avoid. I was hoping to engage in real conversation but you would rather do whatever it is you're doing.

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amongstclouds wrote (edited )

You want to jump to conclusions. Then gasight me. Attack me first. Then you want to make me feel like I did something wrong. Finally you tell me I simply must apologize for doing nothing but explaining my pov. You expect me to play your game?

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amongstclouds wrote (edited )

Look in the mirror. No clue where this is coming from.

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amongstclouds wrote

No, you're just jumping to conclusions.

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amongstclouds wrote

You're gaslighting.

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RyanUnited wrote

Most people don't understand capitalism because they've been indoctrinated into consumerism.

What you describe is the Central Banking effect on capitalism. No different than the introduction of oligarchs into a socialist state - kinda kills the whole thing.

Central Banking has been the supreme driver of war, poverty, and socioeconomic stratification.

Capitalism is a method for allocating resources based on who is the most efficient producer - which is decided by profit. As opposed to Socialism which allocates resources based on predetermined schedules based on current need and future projections.

From my perspective socialism is a system based firmly in control whereas capitalism is most synonymous with democracy because it's based on choice.

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mofongo wrote

no one seems willing to sacrfice their own lives to achieve their goals.

Before answering, I would like you to expand what do you mean by this.

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Dumai wrote

blah blah blah A REVOLUTIONARY IS A DOOMED MAN blah blah blah what do you mean your life is more than just an extension of your values???

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therealmidnite wrote

I prefer a strategem that involves the other side sacrificing their lives to achieve their goals.