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ConnieCommie wrote

the most tankie thing is being ancon but hating anti-tech dumbassery

wow. truly wow.

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GaldraChevaliere wrote

Are you a real person? Are you like, some cybernetic irritating robot engineered in a secret government lab?

Your reactionary ass is so obsessed with the ideological purity of a fucking science fiction genre that you told another queer femme, an actual ancom, that they'd be up against the wall when the revolution comes, because...I'm sorry, I told you that the benefits of transhumanism would be outweighed by the ecological fallout which perpetuates violence against the poor, especially in the rural and colonized global south? Where do you think the ores and plastics we need to make these things come from? Even transhumanist literature addresses that it can only be in two ways, either we perfect space mining or we destroy the environment irreversibly. What do you think will happen first?

The fucking hilarious thing about it is I'm not even anti-civ. I think we have a ton to learn from societies that have made due from scarce and limited resources, especially in their social fabric, because every day someone like you gets her way we lose even more of our world. I'm not against technology, I'm against runaway positivism that mistakenly believes in a global overarching narrative of progress, like everything will magically turn out okay in the end no matter what we do.

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ConnieCommie wrote

.I'm sorry, I told you that the benefits of transhumanism would be outweighed by the ecological fallout which perpetuates violence against the poor, especially in the rural and colonized global south?

"You see, i'm uncomfortable with people advancing, so i'ma shield myself using the global south."

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GaldraChevaliere wrote

You see, I'm uncomfortable with the annihilation of the biosphere, and recognize that even if I survive, billions will have to die for me because of the sheer breadth of the undertaking, where they will be least able to afford these advances and least able to defend themselves.

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ConnieCommie wrote

Yes. I'm sure that will happen. Space mining isn't possible.

Yes, you fucking luddite scum, you're right.

All i know is scum like you belongs in front of a wall.

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GaldraChevaliere wrote

You do know the original luddites fought back against industrialisation because it led to poor people and kids choking to death on fumes and getting hands ripped off by machinery while they were paid even less than they already were for their labor and made redundant and replaceable, right? Like how is that even an insult in your eyes? Thank you for calling me that.

It's not possible yet and to get to that level of reliability we'd have to dedicate resources to it that kept on earth could feed and educate entire nations of people.

I'm not going to sink to your level, I took a geas years ago to watch out for other transfolk and I have no intention to break it. But I'm going to ask you one question. Why are you so miserable? Why are you so attached to this fantasy that you'll threaten another like you with execution and publicly humiliate yourself in the attempt to hurt me the way you're hurting? Is the chance to resleeve and start over really that important to you? So important that given the chance you'd kill me if you thought I would be able to prevent it?

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ConnieCommie wrote

It's not possible yet and to get to that level of reliability we'd have to dedicate resources to it that kept on earth could feed and educate entire nations of people.

Because the transition from Communism to Transhumanism isn't gonna be instant; we'll take care of that first; and when everybody is fed we'll start work.

I'm not going to sink to your level, I took a geas years ago to watch out for other transfolk and I have no intention to break it.

I mean, that's gotta be the stupidest set of words i've read in a while. you'd stick your neck out for fucking blaire white and all the fucking alt-right transfolk? that's the stupidest thing ever.

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GaldraChevaliere wrote

"Because the transition from Communism to Transhumanism isn't gonna be instant; we'll take care of that first; and when everybody is fed we'll start work."

How long do you expect that to take? What priorities do we address to begin with and how many resources do you expect to be left? What is your time table because so far we're looking at ecological collapse within the century if we don't do something about it now. We don't even have communism yet and you're already jumping ahead to something that in its own works generally acknowledges how much suffering must occur before it begins.

"I mean, that's gotta be the stupidest set of words i've read in a while. you'd stick your neck out for fucking blaire white and all the fucking alt-right transfolk? that's the stupidest thing ever."

Yeah, as fucking garbage and reactionary as they are, I would protect Blaire if some neo-nazi tried to kill her, while opposing and contradicting every bullshit thing to come out of her self-hating mouth. Just like I would do for you. I don't get to pick and choose, that is the nature of a geas. I don't have to like you to defend you. Apparently you'd be just as happy to let me die for you, though, which is pretty tankie in of itself. Anarchists always get used as footsoldiers for vanguardists and liberals and disposed of after.

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ConnieCommie wrote

OH yeah so you're one of those idiots who thinks they're a witch

lmao

also; guarantee you, stopping production of weaponry and beginning a modernized public transportation system would help reduce ecological damage; less cars and less planes and more electric trains powered by nukes.

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GaldraChevaliere wrote

tips fedora

So you're one of those smug stemlords who thinks the entire world runs according to immutable axioms and hates the idea of any sort of uncertainty, and can't deal with cultural and religious restrictions other people hold only themselves to as a matter of personal honor?

And yeah, no shit. As we've established, I do not hate technology itself. I hate the ruin that careless pursuit of progress brings. You want to tear down the highways? Be my guest, I'll bring the charges. You want to open the old rails? That's a perfectly wise thing to do. But if you want to create new ones, what forests and villages do you plan to bowl over for them? Where do you want to get the metals and ores and fuel? What do you plan to do with the cores when they're expended? How long do you think that can be sustained and will it cause more problems than it solves?

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ConnieCommie wrote

a. Electricity. Diesel's on it's way out in the rest of the western world's rail networks, and if wires aren't able to be placed, use batteries.

B. I don't want to destroy more than i'd have to; my ideal would be creating a giant solar complex in the world's deserts.

C. launch the cores into space; in orbit of the sun they can't fuck much up

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GaldraChevaliere wrote

You specifically stated nuclear power, presumably fission. While I doubt you'd be fool enough to leave it unshielded, we haven't miniaturized fusion successfully to my knowledge and cores do inevitably burn out. Electrical generation is its own set of problems whether nuclear or fuel, to say nothing of the sheer scale of power plants on an architectural level. That's a fucking lot of steel and concrete you're investing.

Deserts have their own peoples and ecosystems, you're only foisting our problems onto others by building all our shit out there. How does this impact the remaining nomads, or the people that return to nomadic life after they're no longer chained to the factories and roads? Does this interfere with the precious little moisture brought in by the rains and winds if it lands on the solar panels and evaporates or gets trapped instead of touching ground? How does this impact floral and animal life, especially given the scarcity of food and drink in such a place, with less space to hunt and to grow and to burrow?

Space junk is already becoming a major concern and it's only been about 60 years or so since we've regularly started putting things up there. How are you going to launch cores into escape velocity and how much fuel and expense will this be?

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ConnieCommie wrote

Deserts have their own peoples and ecosystems, you're only foisting our problems onto others by building all our shit out there. How does this impact the remaining nomads, or the people that return to nomadic life after they're no longer chained to the factories and roads? Does this interfere with the precious little moisture brought in by the rains and winds if it lands on the solar panels and evaporates or gets trapped instead of touching ground? How does this impact floral and animal life, especially given the scarcity of food and drink in such a place, with less space to hunt and to grow and to burrow?

I'm talking about parts with little impact on life; some sq.m outside of vegas is a preferable option to dumping it in Africa.

Space junk is already becoming a major concern and it's only been about 60 years or so since we've regularly started putting things up there. How are you going to launch cores into escape velocity and how much fuel and expense will this be?

I'd revisit the Energia program, hopefully.

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GaldraChevaliere wrote

You think the Aha Makhav wouldn't want to return to their ancestral lands without the US forcing them onto reservations anymore? Or that the Sonora and Mojave are completely barren and lifeless?

Can you fill me in on the details, I haven't heard of that. Why was it abandoned?

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ConnieCommie wrote

actually, scratch that. Decolonization is needed, and the deserts have life.

Now, something better would be to, say, bulldoze beverly hills and make it a power plant.

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GaldraChevaliere wrote

See? Now we've got common ground. You go and do that, while I look for a way to preserve the pacific from the runoff.