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TheLegendaryBirdMonster wrote

yeah well exploitation and hierarchies existed before the industrial revolution. heck even anprims need to use complicated descriptions of their tribe's structure in order of having no hiearchy in an idealised pre-farming society. "Industrial Revolution" is not an argument for the dangers of transhumanism in itself, you'll need to flesh out a bit more for me to get your point across.

Isnt the power relation between a doctor and his patient the same as the ones in bakunin's quote underneath: Theire authority in the medical field is justified by expertise, but they do not have more value as a person. Again, I dont really get your point: Technology is bad because technobabble can be used to manipulate people?

"Does it follow that I reject all authority? Far from me such a thought. In the matter of boots, I refer to the authority of the bootmaker; concerning houses, canals, or railroads, I consult that of the architect or the engineer. For such or such special knowledge I apply to such or such a savant. But I allow neither the bootmaker nor the architect nor savant to impose his authority upon me. I listen to them freely and with all the respect merited by their intelligence, their character, their knowledge, reserving always my incontestable right of criticism and censure. I do not content myself with consulting a single authority in any special branch; I consult several; I compare their opinions, and choose that which seems to me the soundest. But I recognise no infallible authority, even in special questions; consequently, whatever respect I may have for the honesty and the sincerity of such or such individual, I have no absolute faith in any person."

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Dumai wrote (edited )

yeah well exploitation and hierarchies existed before the industrial revolution.

naturally. but in the process of the industrial revolution new forms of hierarchy were created, which rather puts a damper on your argument that technological progress never does this.

Isnt the power relation between a doctor and his patient the same as the ones in bakunin's quote underneath

god i hate how internet anarchists read that fucking quote lmao, believe it or not forms of power exist outside formal political authority, read foucault

Theire authority in the medical field is justified by expertise, but they do not have more value as a person.

considering they have to power to determine sickness and health, which is necessarily a power they had to monopolise by displacing more communal cultural practices, and given that the medicalisation of society can't be separated from many forms of oppression we live with today (namely, modern homophobia! which i explained and you seemed to ignore!), i'm guessing this is... not true

doesn't mean their expertise hasn't been helpful in maintaining health, but in other ways it's actually been damaging to health! so that leaves us with a problem without a clear answer.

Technology is bad because technobabble can be used to manipulate people?

technology isn't "bad", it has benefits obviously, but technologies operate within regime of social control. you can't argue that the maximalisation of technological choice necessarily leads to greater liberty or else you'd basically be arguing techno-consumerism is a good thing, which would make you a neoliberal, not an anarchist.