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happy wrote

This is my westernized view and I don't know how it would hold up in the global south, but I don't think it is living in the city that creates the alienation, but it is living in civilization and capitalism that creates the alienation. People living in small towns aren't going to care about their waste either because it is exported out of town.

I think in a post-civ (not anprim) society the city has the potential to be something good because of the integration of different ideas, cultures, and people that prevent bigotry and further conflict. Even anarcho-primitives acknowledge that primitive societies went into conflict with each other and I think that in creating these ideal utopias avoiding conflict is important.

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Tequila_Wolf wrote (edited )

You're right - I think I was thinking more along the lines of how this alienation from what we affect is necessitated by cities and not so much in towns. And how it seems a more totalising alienation in cities than towns, but I might be wrong there.
Where I'm from there's possibly a much sharper divide between urban and rural with relatively not so much by way of small towns. Not sure.

but it is living in civilization and capitalism

I think civilisation is characterised in part by cities, so we're possibly on board there, and I of course agree that capitalism is alienating.

I was not thinking about anarcho-primitivists here, but non-primitivist anti-civilisation critiques. I'm still figuring out what post-civ is.

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happy wrote

From what I understand post-civ is non-primitivist while still being anti-civilization. Life after civilization has crumbled.

Post-Civ! is a good primer. Here for a more in-depth look.

I think I would define civilization as the idea of advancement for the sake of advancement. Similar to capitalism being growth for the sake of growth, but civilization will still have a desire to advance itself. Transhumanism and space communism as examples.