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zod wrote

It'll only be a vehicle for change if we bring liberals here under false pretenses and expose them to radical perspectives. But the moment a lib opens their mouth, everyone attacks them until they bail.

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RosaReborn wrote

Literally all my liberal friends are so close, anger at banks, CEOs, government, even "Center-Left" parties. I try to nudge them with thoughts outside of usual party politics but this is where it starts to break down and they think they can shift their "Center-Left" party leftwards.

They know the system is broken and aren't happy with it but they just can't imagine an alternative outside of it. Let alone a stateless society