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Ant wrote (edited )

you are really trying to say that I'm implying that one's "lower class" position makes you a less than good human being because homeless people don't get to pick and choose their food? How do you know that I don't have experience being homeless?

I said that often it means you don't get to pick and choose your food
I don't know whether you've been homeless or not, and I said what I said aware that I didn't know
And when I said "lower class" I was referring to a structural position in a class hierarchy, not making a moral claim, I should have been clearer (just like you should have been clearer)

there is no monolithic experience of homelessness that excuses you from saying it's better to be vegan than to be homeless, especially given the long history of people being racist classist vegans, because the options available to homeless people are different all around the world
similarly, there is no monolithic experience of homelessness that allows you to represent homelessness as a categorical position

I don't think homeless people are idiots, I think that homeless people are a heterogenous group in all parts of the world, with different possibilities afforded to them, and often they don't get to pick and choose their food

Do you think that it is "ethical" to attack a stranger on a forum before you understand what they are even trying to say? :-)

Calling what you said gross because I honestly think it's gross is hardly an attack on you, it's a relatively mild way of saying that I think what you've said is really not ok
Given the looooong history of disgusting classist white veganism, it seems worthwhile for any vegan when espousing veganism to make moves not to come off that way

e.g. If somebody came up to me with a pink pussy hat talking ambiguously about feminism, it's on them that I assume they're white feminists and not on me that I don't take the time to figure out their feminism
When you come along and the context of your claim is that you think veganism is better than homelessness, I see a pink pussy hat
If I had a small amount of money for every time I heard a racist vegan say something like what you'd said, I'd have a not small amount of money

I don't think I have a definition of ethics. I am weary of any definition of ethics, actually. and also I think that's too big a topic to get into here

Do you think that being homeless on it's own is more "ethical" than being vegan?

nope. I hope it's clear by now that I don't think there is a singular 'homeless' or that it can somehow be spoken for. I also don't think that these things are comparable and I think that comparing them as categories is part of the issue here.

I don’t really like fighting on the internet. I’ve tried to explain myself and recognise that I was brash. ziq seems to vouch for you based on a comment of theirs that they deleted in defence of you so perhaps I’m oversensitive. All the best to you as you continue to live in this world, fellow person

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ziq wrote

I deleted it because it's not my fight and it was wrong of me to go on the attack just because I know them.

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