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Enkara wrote

"We" meaning people in general and not just astronauts/cosmonauts and rich people then the answer is with a space elevator, it's the only way to get mass up cheaply enough.

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sudo wrote

Still only possible in theory at the moment. We don't have strong enough materials to build the cable that ties the geostationary space station to the ground. Even the toughest steel beam might as well be spaghetti when we're talking about the distance from the surface of the Earth to geostationary orbit. Not to mention the other problems, like making sure no space debris crashes into the cable and snaps it.

Even if we could build one, it wouldn't be a mass transportation device. It'd probably be limited to a few people at a time, so we couldn't get entire cities of people into space very quickly. It wouldn't be cheap, either - building it would probably be the most expensive engineering project humans have ever undertaken. I imagine maintaining it would cost a lot, too.

All of this is just a consequence of the laws of physics and the planet we evolved on. Capitalism isn't to blame here (not that you're saying it is, but I get the feeling someone here might erroneously think that).

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Enkara wrote

I don't disagree about the difficulty, basically there is no practical way to get people into space at the moment.

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selver wrote

I think free food & shelter for all humans should be mandatory before any ventures into space.

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Copenhagen_Bram wrote

I can agree with that. Where can I help with that?

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rosalique wrote (edited )

Short term, research where you can volunteer your time in your community and do it. Long term, raise public awareness in your area about shitty things that are going on. Keep yourself educated about leftists candidates in your area. Advocate for your candidate. And if there is no leftist candidate, then maybe that's you.

(But I don't blame you if it isn't because I wouldn't either.)

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Copenhagen_Bram wrote

Have you ever played Orbiter?

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Copenhagen_Bram wrote

Try it. I suspect if you can do KSP, you can fly to the moon or dock with the ISS in Orbiter.

I also recommend Flightgear, if you're interested in flying.

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rosalique wrote

What do you want to do in space?

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Copenhagen_Bram wrote

I've heard that it's possible to set up base on the moon and construct spacecraft there.

Or maybe we could terraform Mars or something. (or just set up base there)

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PurpleDaisy wrote

Maybe we should focus on keeping Earth alive before terraforming other planets ^^'

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Copenhagen_Bram wrote

Not that any of that is necessary

Man set foot on the moon because of the government. NASA sends rovers to Mars. Elon Musk is launching rockets. Satellite companies (ewwwwww) are launching, well, satellites.

If we're to successfully challenge capitalism and archy, we have to prove we can do the same.

I want freedom, and it's out there.

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Copenhagen_Bram wrote

This isn't about copying everything the capitalists do. This is about boldy going where no human has gone before. This is about expanding land as a resource. This is about humanity not ceasing to exist when something happens to Earth. This is about having a purpose in life.

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NEOalquimista wrote

Of all things we can do in this life, if it's not fun, then it's circular. You exist to continue existing? What's the point? Fun is a pretty good purpose. We're smart people, we'll figure out. Look at our bodies. We were given the ability to explore the environment with unprecedented amount of detail. I don't think staying here and not doing anything different is a good use of a life.

Also, capitalism is not pushing us to space. They like us here, safe and sound on the surface. Only the privilleged can. So let's not repeat that mistake.

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Copenhagen_Bram wrote (edited )

Because it's fucking fun.

Why are you calling this space 'imperialism'?

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Copenhagen_Bram wrote

Not if it's done socially. And wouldn't you need aliens to conquer, for it to be imperialism? We should try to get along with aliens.

Err, if you don't think that's fun, that's fine. I'm not gonna force you or anything. But I think space exploration (or imperialism, if you want to call it that) is important, and I want to join or found a group that's interested in doing that in a more transparent, decentralized way than what is done these days. I guess we can agree to disagree. Thanks for making me think.

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rosalique wrote (edited )

What if space travel enables humanity to mine lifeless asteroids instead of exploiting our own habitat? What if it could be done with robotic labor remotely?

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Copenhagen_Bram wrote

Something somebody else said, is that we should worry about food and shelter for everyone first. So I guess a socialist organization should focus on farming, architecture, and birth control (._.) before doing fun stuff like smartphones and spacecraft.

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culprit wrote

I'm going with renewable energy powering a EM slingshot launching rail on the side of a near equator mountain. Probably the lowest impact method of moving material out of the gravity well.

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zod wrote (edited )

I don't see the point. Not unless our probes find completely uninhabited planets (that includes non humanoids) we can survive on.

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DataPacRat wrote

There are lots of completely uninhabited planets and moons. And for decades now, academics and employees of space agencies have been working on how to survive on them.

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GrimWillow wrote

I think once we've figured out how to ensure that no more fascists/capitalists/feudalists can rise, we could put something together. That seems way out of our lifetimes considering how entrenched we are in this shit. We're currently backed into a corner of the capitalist prison fighting just to not let them claim that this is the only way.

Otherwise, every development of tech will not be done in the same way the capitalists have done it. The capitalists are so proud of "their" work, when it's always been slaves doing the actual job.

I believe that one day Anarchists could be in space, and it will be done respectfully and look very very different.

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NEOalquimista wrote

In a free society, we would see many self-thought engineers experimenting with space transportation. Just like Linus Torvalds, they could benefit by sharing their work wide open with the world, and then more people of a variety of skills would gather to help get it working.

By sharing knowledge he cannot hold others back and force inequality. Some people may not want to leave the ground or use some piece of technology, but the point is... if they wanted to, they could. It's not held privately. It's shared.

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libre_dev wrote

We already know how. The question is "why?" or "what should we do?"

It's going to be a long time before humans can colonize another celestial body. We don't even have a self-sustaining colony on the south pole yet!