asterism wrote
Yet to hear an antinatalist argument that isnt just a bunch of moralising nonsense.
Have kids or dont but dont pretend either decision gives you moral high ground. its all a matter of preference.
kin wrote
Maybe I subscribe to this, and it's funny to see that raddles opinion on this is so diverse and the thread stirred a conversation that I didn't saw here for a couple of months.
I interpreted antinatalism as a philosophical position in essence, much like suicide, and I also see it as a very personal decision. I can't see it as a mass prescription for any kind of ideology as antinatalism pose as a movement.
I personally don't have the emotional strength to raise a kid, I can barely take care of myself properly. But even then I have instincts of parenthood and maybe this can happen in a given circumstance
Bezotcovschina wrote
Is veganism moralist nonsense? Is anti-racism moralist nonsense?
asterism wrote
I suppose I would think myself a nihilist. So, Though I choose to practice both, I think the answer is yes.
In fact finding things to be "moralist nonsense" is also moralist nonsense.
The only reason I see to do anything at all is because it pleases me to do it. Though this is hedonism seeing pleasure as a moral good or as desirable. This too is moralist nonsense.
Basically everything is nonsense and there are no good arguments to do anything ever. Though that too is moralist nonsense.
Bezotcovschina wrote (edited )
yeah, makes sense now
ArmyOfNone wrote
Did you read Sweetiebot's reply? I don't see anything moralistic in it.
Fool wrote
Seems moralistic to me, believing that they're doing something good by not bringing life into the world.
It's really the most basic anti-natalist argument.
ArmyOfNone wrote (edited )
It's not moralist, it's just moral.
Who here is really having...
" the habit or practice of moralizing" (according to Merriam-Webster) ?
But this poster was not moralizing anyone. They just don't want to reproduce (for the reason they said). It's their choice and neither you or I have a say about it.
Fool wrote
Then it's not anti-natalism. Not having kids isn't anti-natalist, believing no one should have kids is anti-natalism
ArmyOfNone wrote (edited )
believing no one should have kids
So that's a rather extreme POV I rarely seen/heard anywhere. To a point I wonder if that's such an issue?
But people accusing those who believe we'd better be thinking twice about having kids to be "anti-natalist" sound dishonest and sus too. This could potentially be conservative/Pro-Lifer gaslighting, too.
In a hyper-cosumerist capitalist society, to be having more kids ain't bad, but systematically it represents an ever-increasing demand on a weak system that's hardly sustainable. So there's reason to raise a few questions at least.
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