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asterism wrote

Yet to hear an antinatalist argument that isnt just a bunch of moralising nonsense.

Have kids or dont but dont pretend either decision gives you moral high ground. its all a matter of preference.

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kin wrote

Maybe I subscribe to this, and it's funny to see that raddles opinion on this is so diverse and the thread stirred a conversation that I didn't saw here for a couple of months.

I interpreted antinatalism as a philosophical position in essence, much like suicide, and I also see it as a very personal decision. I can't see it as a mass prescription for any kind of ideology as antinatalism pose as a movement.

I personally don't have the emotional strength to raise a kid, I can barely take care of myself properly. But even then I have instincts of parenthood and maybe this can happen in a given circumstance

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Bezotcovschina wrote

Is veganism moralist nonsense? Is anti-racism moralist nonsense?

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asterism wrote

I suppose I would think myself a nihilist. So, Though I choose to practice both, I think the answer is yes.

In fact finding things to be "moralist nonsense" is also moralist nonsense.

The only reason I see to do anything at all is because it pleases me to do it. Though this is hedonism seeing pleasure as a moral good or as desirable. This too is moralist nonsense.

Basically everything is nonsense and there are no good arguments to do anything ever. Though that too is moralist nonsense.

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ArmyOfNone wrote

Did you read Sweetiebot's reply? I don't see anything moralistic in it.

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Fool wrote

Seems moralistic to me, believing that they're doing something good by not bringing life into the world.

It's really the most basic anti-natalist argument.

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ArmyOfNone wrote (edited )

It's not moralist, it's just moral.

Who here is really having...

" the habit or practice of moralizing" (according to Merriam-Webster) ?

But this poster was not moralizing anyone. They just don't want to reproduce (for the reason they said). It's their choice and neither you or I have a say about it.

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Fool wrote

Then it's not anti-natalism. Not having kids isn't anti-natalist, believing no one should have kids is anti-natalism

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ArmyOfNone wrote (edited )

believing no one should have kids

So that's a rather extreme POV I rarely seen/heard anywhere. To a point I wonder if that's such an issue?

But people accusing those who believe we'd better be thinking twice about having kids to be "anti-natalist" sound dishonest and sus too. This could potentially be conservative/Pro-Lifer gaslighting, too.

In a hyper-cosumerist capitalist society, to be having more kids ain't bad, but systematically it represents an ever-increasing demand on a weak system that's hardly sustainable. So there's reason to raise a few questions at least.

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