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RedEmmaSpeaks wrote

I'm about the same. This lifestyle not only is warping and destroying humans, it's warping and destroying the environment, and no matter how much we try to pretend we are the most specialest creatures ever and can exist apart from the natural world, we can't.

So I do shade myself as green, but also anti-civ, though I'm not really sure I like the title "anti-civ." It depends on how you define civilization and like everything else, the definition has long been tied up in Racist BS. If we're talking about the Industrial One-Size-Fits-All civilization, then I am opposed to it. It's destroying the world and it goes against the natural instincts wired into each and everyone of us.

The "But Human Nature!" meme stubbornly refuses to die, operating under the belief that without a massive elaborate societal hierarchy, we'd soon be killing and pillaging each other, but it doesn't hold up.

As said before, what usually happens in the aftermath of disasters is that people band together and do what they can to help each other out. There are a couple of bad seeds who take advantage of the chaos to pillage, but the vast majority do not. Humans are naturally wired for altruism; we want to look after and take care of each other.

Civilization as we know it, with all the hierarchies and divisions between the standards of livings, didn't really come about until about ten thousand years ago. Thing is, the species, Homo sapiens, have been around for fifty thousand years. If humans were so inherently violent and awful that we couldn't function without a massive State, how did we manage to live and survive for some forty thousand years without one?

So I'm totally a fan of the tribal-band style of living. It's the oldest form of living among humans and there's a reason it endures; we are wired for it. If a collapse or whatever happens, what will result is likely many different tribes, with lots of different ways of life depending on the area where they live. Nature prizes diversity; the only way we've kept the One-Size-Fits-All standard going, is via massive infusions of nonrenewable resources.

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GrimWillow wrote

Humans are naturally wired for altruism; we want to look after and take care of each other.

I agree with this because you can see it even in the nazi propaganda about "securing a future" and shit, and all these politicians talkin big game on helping people. It's why all these right wing groups focus on their victimhood for appeal. They know people will see it, and it will tug a little string in their biggoted heart, as they lay watch to their "bro's" suffering.

It has always been about mutal aid for surival, it's too bad horrible renditions of the apolypse in popular culture invoke an ayn-caps dream/nightmare instead of anything realistic. People are being so far removed to how culture is without industrialism and global neo-liberal capitalist tyranny that they're losing themselves in the world of media propagated by other slaves to the corporations, who are also removed from personal relationships with the earth and the community it requires.

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