Viewing a single comment thread. View all comments

sagb OP wrote (edited )

Reply to comment by Styx in Why is there no Antigerman Anarchism? by sagb

Agree, but how can I interpret this then?

"Beyond nationalism, but not without it" - Ashanti Alston | https://libcom.org/article/beyond-nationalism-not-without-it

3

Styx wrote (edited )

Well they tell you how to understand it:

But because of the totally racist, genocidal dynamic within this Babylonian Empire, the black nationalist understood that we must…we must…we must primarily look to ourselves to free ourselves. Point blank.

They, also, looked at what the nationalist groups were doing in their actual grassroots practice, like creating concrete defenses against repression and alternatives in survival institutions. Thus, they liked what the Panthers were doing on the ground through their programs and supported that kind of nationalism as being compatible with "anarchism on the ground."

This rambles, right? My apologies. I end this by advising: WHITE ANARCHISTS, DEAL WITH BEING THE BEST ANTI-RACIST ALLIES YOU CAN. WE NEED YOU BUT WE WILL DO THIS SHIT WITHOUT YOU.

I only skimmed through it, but it seems to me that what the author calls 'nationalism' is closer to a secluded 'community' than to what we, the glorious 'Europeans,' would understand under that term. I personally think that any of these historically marginalised and incredibly brutalised groups should be free to do whatever the fuck they want to do without having to deal with yet another person whitesplaining to them why it's wrong or not ideologically 'pure' or whatever else.

You have to understand what they have been through, and how often they've been betrayed by the self-proclaimed allies. I'm actually shocked at how 'controversial' this seems to be, primarily on r/@. Why would I want to force myself upon someone who doesn't want me in their proximity, even if it's for the flimsiest of reasons? How's me insisting that I must be included in someone else's affairs in line with the free association? Do I also have to sleep with someone whom I don't fancy because of 'anarchism' or something? Anyway, this person and their ideas are not a threat to a Jewish community, or any other minority (at least not that I can see), so I'm not sure why you forwarded this to me.

3